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The photography business loss might raise some red flags since the expenses are much higher than the income. Make sure you can prove you're trying to make a profit. Take classes to improve skills, have a business plan showing projected path to profitability, advertise your services, maintain separate business accounts, etc. I've been running a photography business for years and had losses the first two years. As long as you treat it like a serious business and not a hobby, you should be fine claiming the losses.
Doesn't the photography business need to show a profit in 3 out of 5 years to avoid being classified as a hobby? That's what my accountant told me for my woodworking business that's been operating at a loss.
That's a common misconception. The "3 out of 5 years" rule is actually a safe harbor provision, not a requirement. If you DO show profit in 3 out of 5 years, the IRS generally presumes it's a business (for most activities; horse racing has a different timeframe). But failing to meet that doesn't automatically make it a hobby. It just means you don't get that automatic presumption. The IRS will then look at all nine factors they consider, including: how professionally you run the operation, your expertise, time and effort invested, assets expected to appreciate, success in similar activities, your history of income/losses, occasional profits, your financial status, and personal pleasure/recreation elements. Many legitimate businesses take more than 2 years to become profitable. As long as you can demonstrate genuine business intent and efforts to make it profitable, you can still deduct the losses even without meeting the 3-in-5 test.
Great question! Yes, you'll definitely need separate Schedule C forms for each business. The IRS considers these distinct activities - your jewelry business, delivery work, and photography are all different types of operations with different income streams and expense categories. For your photography business showing a loss, you can absolutely deduct those losses against your other income as long as you're operating it as a legitimate business (not a hobby). The key is demonstrating profit motive - keep records of your business plan, marketing efforts, time invested, and steps you're taking to improve profitability. One thing to watch out for: with $19k in equipment expenses against $6.8k income, make sure you're properly depreciating larger equipment purchases rather than deducting them all in one year. Camera gear, lighting equipment, etc. typically need to be depreciated over several years unless you elect Section 179 or bonus depreciation. Also consider whether some of those equipment purchases might qualify for the Section 179 deduction, which could let you deduct up to $1,160,000 in qualifying business equipment in the year you placed it in service (for 2024). This could be beneficial for your photography business if the equipment qualifies.
This is really helpful info about the equipment depreciation! I'm actually in a similar situation with my small videography business where I bought a lot of gear upfront. Can you clarify when you'd want to use Section 179 vs regular depreciation? Is there a downside to taking the full deduction in year one if you qualify?
I'm in the exact same situation! Filed early February, got a 3/12 DDD, and still nothing in my account as of this morning (3/15). The tracker hasn't budged from "Refund Approved" either. Reading through these comments is actually really reassuring - sounds like this is pretty normal and the IRS systems are just terrible at updating in real time. I'm going to give it until Monday like others suggested before I start really panicking. It's so stressful when you're counting on that money though! Will definitely update here if/when mine hits.
Hang in there! I'm also a 3/12 DDD and still waiting. It's definitely nerve-wracking when you're depending on that money. From what everyone's saying here, it sounds like the IRS tracker is basically useless and refunds can take several days past the DDD to actually show up. I'm trying to stay calm and give it until early next week before freaking out. At least we're not alone in this! Fingers crossed we both see our refunds hit soon š¤
Same exact situation here! Filed 2/8, accepted 2/9, got a 3/12 DDD and it's now 3/15 with nothing in my account and the tracker still stuck on "Refund Approved." This thread is honestly making me feel so much better - I was starting to think something went seriously wrong with my return. It's crazy how unreliable the IRS systems are. I called my bank this morning and they confirmed no pending deposits, but based on what everyone's saying here it sounds like we just need to be patient a few more days. The fact that others are reporting their refunds hitting even when the tracker never updated is reassuring. I'll definitely post an update when mine comes through. Thanks for sharing your experience OP - misery loves company! š
Does anyone know if there's a good tax software that makes calculating these estimated payments easier? I've been using TurboTax but it doesn't seem to have a good way to project for the upcoming year or help me figure out these quarterly amounts.
I switched from TurboTax to FreeTaxUSA last year and it has a pretty decent estimated tax calculator. Not as fancy as some dedicated tools, but it lets you input projected income for the coming year and spits out vouchers with the recommended payment for each quarter. And it's way cheaper than TurboTax.
I've been dealing with estimated taxes for years as a small business owner, and I think there's another important point that hasn't been mentioned yet. The IRS actually gives you some flexibility with the safe harbor rules that can make this whole process less stressful. If you pay either 90% of this year's tax liability OR 100% of last year's tax liability (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) through withholding and estimated payments, you won't face underpayment penalties - even if you end up owing more when you file. This means you can use last year's tax return as a baseline for your quarterly payments, which is especially helpful if your income varies significantly. For the uneven quarterly periods, I've found it easier to just set up automatic payments for the same amount each quarter based on last year's taxes. It's not perfectly optimized, but it keeps me safe from penalties and I can adjust when I file my return. Sometimes the peace of mind is worth paying a little extra during the year.
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to making estimated payments and was getting overwhelmed by all the calculations. Using last year's tax liability as a baseline sounds much more manageable than trying to predict this year's income perfectly. Quick question - when you say "set up automatic payments," do you mean through the IRS website or your bank? I'm worried about missing a due date since I'm still learning all these quarterly deadlines.
Has anyone successfully gotten this fixed going forward without getting HR involved? My company's HR is outsourced and practically impossible to reach.
In my experience, you absolutely need HR involved to fix withholding going forward. They control the payroll system settings for where your taxes go. Maybe try reaching your finance department instead? They sometimes have more direct control over payroll than outsourced HR. Or try to find whoever handles your company's payroll processing directly.
I went through this exact same issue about 6 months ago! What worked for me was being very persistent with documentation. I created a folder with: 1. Screenshots of all my paystubs showing the incorrect local tax withholding 2. My lease agreement proving my home address 3. Photos of my home office setup with timestamps 4. A letter from my manager confirming I'm 100% remote The key was making it crystal clear that this wasn't just a temporary work-from-home situation - I was hired as a remote employee and have never worked from their office location. When I presented all this to HR, they couldn't really argue with the documentation. They fixed my withholding within two pay periods. For the back taxes, I had to file a non-resident return with the city that had been collecting my taxes incorrectly, but I got about $1,400 back within 8 weeks. Pro tip: If your HR pushes back, ask them to show you the specific tax law or company policy that requires withholding taxes for a location where you don't physically work. Most of the time they can't produce anything because there isn't a valid legal basis for it.
This is such great advice about documentation! I'm dealing with this exact situation right now and hadn't thought about taking photos of my home office setup with timestamps - that's really smart evidence that I'm actually working from home. My HR keeps saying they need "proof" but weren't specific about what kind of proof they wanted. Your list gives me a clear roadmap for what to gather. Did you have any issues with the non-resident return process? I'm a bit nervous about filing tax forms I've never dealt with before.
Megan D'Acosta
PSA for everyone: Save your last paystub of the year ALWAYS!!! I learned this the hard way. If you have your last December paystub, you'll have almost all the info you need if your W-2 gets lost or is super late. Also, check if your company has an online payroll portal like ADP, Workday, UKG, etc. Sometimes W-2s are available electronically there before they arrive in the mail. My company never even mailed mine last year, they just expected everyone to download it from the portal.
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Sarah Ali
ā¢This is solid advice!! My company uses Paycom and I completely forgot they post the W-2s there. Just checked and mine is ready to download even though HR sent an email saying paper copies are "in the mail" whatever that means these days lol
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Carmella Fromis
Just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through this exact situation! I started a job in late November a few years back and was super worried about the same thing. Your employer is absolutely required to send you a W-2 regardless of when you started - even if you only worked one day in 2024, you'd still get one. Since you made $8,500, that's definitely reportable income and your employer will face penalties if they don't provide your W-2 by January 31st. I'd suggest checking if your company has an online payroll system first (like the others mentioned) - that's often the fastest way to get it. Don't stress too much yet since we're still in January, but definitely keep that last pay stub from December handy just in case. The IRS takes missing W-2s seriously, so if your employer is being unresponsive after the deadline, you'll have recourse. Good luck with your first "real job" tax season!
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Ravi Malhotra
ā¢Thank you for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation. I'm definitely feeling less anxious about it now. I'll check our company portal tomorrow - I think we use something called BambooHR but I haven't logged in since onboarding. Quick question though - when you said the IRS takes missing W-2s seriously, do you know what kind of penalties employers actually face? I'm just curious how motivated my company would be to get this right if they're running behind.
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