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Don't forget about the business use requirement! For Section 179 and bonus depreciation, the asset must be used more than 50% for business. You mentioned 100% business use, so you're good, but make sure you keep detailed records proving that. If the IRS audits you and finds personal use, they can disallow your deductions. Also, have you calculated the actual dollar difference between the two depreciation options? With bonus depreciation dropping from 80% in 2024 to 60% in 2025, there could be a significant advantage to placing it in service this year if possible.
How do you prove 100% business use for an RV? Do you need to keep a logbook or something? I'm concerned because even if I'm not personally using it, there will be days when it's not rented out. Does that still count as 100% business use?
Yes, maintaining detailed records is crucial! For 100% business use documentation, you should keep rental agreements, booking confirmations, listing screenshots, and a log showing when the RV is available for rent versus any personal use. Days when it's not rented but still listed and available for rental still count as business use - it's the availability that matters, not constant occupancy. The IRS looks at your intent and actual use patterns. If you're exclusively marketing it as a rental and never using it personally, that supports your 100% business use claim. Just make sure you have documentation showing it was genuinely available for rental during any vacant periods, not just sitting unused while you decide whether to take a personal trip! @Madison Allen makes a great point about calculating the actual dollar impact of the bonus depreciation percentage drop. With a 20% difference between 2024 and 2025, that could be substantial depending on your RV s'cost.
This is a complex situation that really highlights why timing matters so much with tax planning! Based on what everyone has shared, it sounds like you have a few key decisions to make: 1. **Payment timing vs. "placed in service" timing** - As others mentioned, what really matters is when you place the RV in service (available for business use), not necessarily when you pay for it. If you can purchase and list it in December 2024, you could potentially benefit from the higher 80% bonus depreciation rate. 2. **Consider your overall tax situation** - Since you mentioned having a day job, you'll want to think about whether taking a large depreciation deduction in 2024 actually benefits you tax-wise, or if spreading it out might be better. 3. **Don't forget about the recapture risk** - @Sophia Clark raised an excellent point about the 5-year recapture period. If there's any chance you might exit this business or sell the RV within 5 years, regular MACRS depreciation could be safer than the aggressive front-loaded options. Given that you need to decide quickly and haven't found a CPA yet, I'd suggest either using one of the tools mentioned (taxr.ai for analysis or Claimyr to speak directly with the IRS) or at minimum, run some quick calculations on the actual dollar differences between your options. The cash flow benefit of splitting payments might outweigh the tax benefits, especially if you're not certain about the long-term viability of the rental business. Sometimes the bird in the hand (better cash flow) is worth more than the potential tax savings!
This is really helpful analysis! I'm actually in a similar situation with some equipment for my consulting business, and the recapture risk point is something I hadn't fully considered. @NebulaNinja, when you mention running calculations on the dollar differences, do you have a simple way to estimate this? I'm trying to figure out if the 20% difference in bonus depreciation rates (80% vs 60%) is worth the cash flow strain of paying everything upfront in 2024. Also, does anyone know if the business income limitation for Section 179 applies differently if you have W-2 income from a day job versus self-employment income? The tax code seems to treat these differently in some cases.
Question - does anyone know if providing snacks/drinks in the office counts under this exception? We spend about $500/month on office snacks and coffee. Is that considered employee recreation under ยง274(e)(4) or something else?
Office snacks and drinks are generally considered de minimis fringe benefits rather than recreation events under ยง274(e)(4). They're still deductible, but under a different section of tax code. As long as the value is small and accounting for it would be administratively impractical, you can deduct 100% of these expenses.
Great thread everyone! As someone who's dealt with this exact issue, I wanted to add that timing can also matter for these deductions. The IRS looks at whether the event was held during or reasonably close to the business year you're claiming the deduction. Also, one thing I haven't seen mentioned is the "all employees" requirement. Under ยง274(e)(4), the recreational activity needs to be available to employees generally - you can't just treat executives or a select group and claim the full deduction. If you're doing tiered events (like a nice dinner for managers and pizza for everyone else), that could complicate your deduction. For your specific activities @CosmicCommander, make sure your team dinners aren't too frequent or lavish, as the IRS might view regular expensive meals as compensation rather than recreation. The escape room and company picnic sound perfect for the exception though!
This is such valuable insight about the "all employees" requirement! I hadn't considered how tiered events could complicate deductions. Quick follow-up question - if we do a company-wide event but some remote employees can't attend due to location, does that still meet the "available to employees generally" test? We have about 5 remote workers out of our 15 total employees, and I'd hate for their inability to physically attend our local events to disqualify the deduction for everyone else.
Has anyone used the IRS Direct Pay system recently? Last time I tried it was super buggy and kept giving me errors when I entered my bank info.
I just used it last week and it worked fine. The interface is definitely outdated but I didn't have any issues. Make sure you're using a computer though - when I tried on my phone it kept glitching.
Just to add some clarity on the payment methods - you're absolutely right that you can split your payment multiple ways! I did exactly this last year with a $6,200 tax bill. I used two different credit cards ($2,000 each through different processors to stay under the limit per processor), then paid the remaining $2,200 via Direct Pay from my checking account. The key things to remember: 1) Each payment processor has its own 2-card limit, so you can technically use up to 6 credit cards if you go through all three processors, 2) Direct Pay/bank transfers have no fees, and 3) You can spread the payments out over time as long as everything is received by the due date. One tip - I spaced my payments about 3-4 days apart just to make sure each one processed cleanly in their system. All showed up correctly on my account transcript. The credit card processing fees (around 1.87-2.5% depending on the processor) did eat into my rewards a bit, but it was still worth it for the cash flow management and keeping my individual card balances reasonable.
This is really helpful! I'm curious about the timing aspect - when you spaced your payments 3-4 days apart, did you make sure to start early enough before the deadline to account for processing time? I'm worried about cutting it too close and having one of the payments not clear in time. Also, did you get separate confirmation numbers for each payment that you had to track?
Great question about the 6-month loan! Just to add a practical tip - when you're looking up the short-term AFR for your loan month, make sure you're using the correct compounding frequency. The IRS publishes rates for annual, semi-annual, quarterly, and monthly compounding. For a 6-month loan, you'll typically want to use either the semi-annual or quarterly compounding rate depending on how you structure the payments. If your sister is making one payment at the end of 6 months, semi-annual compounding would be appropriate. If she's making quarterly payments, use the quarterly rate. Also, don't forget to keep records of the actual payments received. The IRS will want to see that the loan terms were actually followed if they ever question whether this was a genuine loan versus a gift. Good luck with everything!
This is really helpful advice about the compounding frequency! I'm new to all this and hadn't even considered that different payment structures would require different compounding rates. Just to make sure I understand - if my sister pays back the entire $65,000 plus interest in one lump sum at the end of 6 months, I should use the semi-annual compounding AFR rate, not the annual rate? And I need to document every payment (even though it's just one) to prove this was a legitimate loan? Thanks for breaking this down in such practical terms!
For a 6-month family loan of $65,000, you'll definitely need to use the short-term AFR table since it covers loans with terms of 3 years or less. The key thing to remember is that you must use the AFR from the month when the money actually changes hands, not when you sign any paperwork. I'd strongly recommend getting a written loan agreement in place that includes the specific AFR rate you're charging, the repayment schedule, and all other terms. This documentation is crucial if the IRS ever questions whether this is a legitimate loan versus a gift. Even though $65,000 might seem like a family matter, the IRS takes these transactions seriously. One thing that often trips people up is the imputed interest rule - if you charge below the minimum AFR rate, the IRS will still treat you as if you received that interest income for tax purposes, even if you didn't actually collect it. So you might as well charge the proper rate and actually collect the interest rather than having phantom income on your tax return. Also, make sure your sister understands that depending on what she uses the loan for (like medical expenses), she might be able to deduct the interest she pays you, but you'll definitely need to report any interest you receive as income on your tax return.
Danielle Campbell
According to Internal Revenue Manual section 25.25.6, the IRS is required to resolve all identity verification issues before processing a return. Per IRS Publication 5027, taxpayers should respond to all notices separately using the specific case numbers provided. You might consider contacting the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 877-777-4778 if you encounter issues with the verification process, as they can sometimes help resolve these duplicate verification scenarios more efficiently than standard IRS channels.
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Luca Ferrari
Just went through this exact scenario last month! I got verification letters for both my maiden name (Garcia) and married name (Thompson). Initially panicked thinking it was some kind of fraud, but after reading through the IRS instructions carefully, I realized they were both legitimate. Here's what I learned: โข Each letter has a unique case number - treat them as separate requests โข The online verification portal handles each case independently โข I completed both verifications within the same week and got confirmation numbers for each โข My refund processed normally about 3 weeks later The whole process took maybe 20 minutes total for both verifications. Way less stressful than I thought it would be once I understood what was happening. The IRS systems just aren't sophisticated enough to automatically link name changes, so they err on the side of caution and verify both identities separately.
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Sofia Perez
โขThis is really helpful, thank you for breaking it down step by step! I'm curious - did you use the same documents for both verifications, or did you need different paperwork depending on which name they were verifying? Also, when you say you got confirmation numbers for each, did you receive them immediately after completing the online verification, or did they come later by mail?
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Lucas Turner
โข@Luca Ferrari Great breakdown! I m'dealing with this same situation right now. Quick question - when you completed both verifications online, did you have to create separate accounts or logins for each case number, or could you handle both through the same IRS.gov account? I m'trying to figure out the most efficient way to tackle this without getting confused between the two cases.
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