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Adriana Cohn

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I got a 474C letter about 6 months ago for my 2022 return. The whole process was actually pretty straightforward once I got the letter - you can verify online through ID.me or call the number they give you. I chose the online route and it took maybe 20 minutes to upload my documents and verify my identity. The hardest part is honestly just waiting for the letter to arrive in the first place! But once you complete the verification, your return should process normally. Hope this helps ease some of your worries!

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Paolo Marino

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Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really reassuring to hear. Did you have any issues with the ID.me verification or was it pretty smooth? I've heard mixed things about their platform but 20 minutes sounds way better than waiting on hold with the IRS for hours šŸ˜…

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Can I prepay 2024 or future property taxes to take as deductions on my 2023 tax return?

I got into a heated debate with my neighbor last night about tax planning strategies, and I'm hoping someone can clear this up for us. We both own homes we've lived in for several years (so no confusion about new purchases or sales). My neighbor insists we can prepay our 2024 property taxes now and deduct them on our 2023 tax returns. I disagreed, saying you can only deduct taxes for the year they're actually imposed, not just when you decide to pay them early. But honestly, if I'm wrong, that would be great news for my tax situation! My neighbor made similar claims about prepaying mortgage interest, but I found this directly from the IRS website: >Prepaid interest. If you pay interest in advance for a period that goes beyond the end of the tax year, you must spread this interest over the tax years to which it applies. Generally, you can deduct in each year only the interest that qualifies as home mortgage interest for that year. An exception (discussed later) applies to points. But I can't find anything similarly clear from the IRS about property taxes. With all the changes to standard deductions and itemized deductions, this could significantly impact my tax planning, so I want to make sure I understand the rules. I've read so many conflicting articles online - some say you can prepay, others say you can't, and some say you can only prepay the next installment (like the first quarter of next year). It's frustrating! I've left a message with my accountant, but I'd love to hear what others know about this. Even tax professionals sometimes give different answers, and this seems like something many homeowners would want to know about. Thanks for any insights!

As a government employee who has worked with tax policy implementation, I can confirm what several people have mentioned about the assessment requirement. The key distinction is between when a tax is legally imposed versus when you choose to pay it. The IRS has been pretty clear since the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that prepaying future tax years doesn't accelerate the deduction. You can only deduct property taxes in the year they become a legal obligation - meaning the taxing authority has completed their assessment process and determined what you actually owe. What gets confusing is that different jurisdictions have different processes. Some counties assess quarterly, others annually. Some send "estimated" bills that later get finalized, while others send final assessments upfront. The timing of when YOU can deduct depends on when THEY complete their official assessment. The practical advice about calling your county assessor is spot-on. They can tell you exactly when taxes are considered "assessed" in your jurisdiction. Don't rely on when bills are mailed - ask specifically about when the assessment becomes legally binding. And yes, definitely check the SALT cap first! With the $10,000 limit, many homeowners hit that ceiling regardless of timing strategies. Combined with the higher standard deduction, fewer people benefit from itemizing these days anyway.

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Thank you so much for this authoritative clarification! It's really helpful to hear from someone with direct experience in tax policy implementation. Your explanation about the legal obligation versus payment timing distinction makes perfect sense and clears up a lot of the confusion I've been having. I'm definitely going to call my county assessor's office now - several people have mentioned this, and it sounds like the most reliable way to get jurisdiction-specific information. The point about not relying on when bills are mailed is particularly useful since I've been assuming the mailing date was what mattered. Your reminder about checking the SALT cap first is also well-taken. I realize I've been putting the cart before the horse by diving into complex timing strategies without first determining if they'd even benefit me. With property taxes, state income taxes, and local taxes combined, I suspect I'm already hitting that $10k limit anyway. This whole thread has been incredibly educational - from the technical assessment requirements to the practical tools people have shared. It's a great example of how community knowledge can help navigate these complex tax situations!

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Nia Harris

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This has been such an informative discussion! As someone who's been dealing with this exact confusion, I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and expertise. What strikes me most is how much the rules vary by jurisdiction - it seems like the key is understanding your specific county's assessment process rather than trying to apply general rules. The distinction between "estimated" and "assessed" taxes appears to be crucial, and it's clearly something that trips up a lot of homeowners. I'm also grateful for the reality check about the SALT cap and standard deduction. It's easy to get caught up in optimization strategies without first checking if they'll actually provide any benefit. For many of us, especially in higher-tax states, these timing strategies may not matter at all under current tax law. The various tools and services mentioned here (taxr.ai for document analysis, Claimyr for reaching the IRS) sound like they could save a lot of time and confusion. It's frustrating that such basic tax questions can be so difficult to get answered through normal channels. I think the best takeaway is: 1) Call your county assessor to understand their specific assessment timeline, 2) Check if you'll hit the SALT cap anyway, 3) Verify you'll exceed the standard deduction threshold, and 4) Only then worry about prepayment timing strategies. Thanks to everyone who contributed their knowledge - this kind of community sharing is invaluable for navigating our complex tax system!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone new to homeownership, I had no idea the property tax deduction rules were this complex. I was actually planning to prepay my 2024 property taxes this December thinking it would help with my 2023 return, but now I understand I need to check if they've actually been assessed first. The point about calling the county assessor directly is brilliant - I never would have thought to do that. It makes so much more sense to get the information straight from the source rather than trying to decipher confusing tax documents or rely on general online advice. I'm also glad people mentioned the SALT cap because I'm in a high-tax area and probably need to calculate whether I'll hit that $10k limit anyway. It would be silly to spend time on timing strategies that won't actually reduce my tax bill! One question though - for those who mentioned using taxr.ai or similar tools, do you think they're worth it for someone with a fairly straightforward tax situation (single property, W-2 income, standard mortgage)? Or is it mainly helpful for more complex scenarios? Thanks again to everyone for sharing their knowledge - this community is amazing for getting real-world tax advice!

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StarSurfer

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This exact thing happened to my sister - definitely contact the IRS Taxpayer Advocate Service too (1-877-777-4778). They can help expedite the process and guide you through it step by step. Also make sure to keep copies of EVERYTHING you send them because things get lost in the mail all the time. Good luck! šŸ¤ž

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Savannah Vin

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Thanks for mentioning the Taxpayer Advocate Service! I didn't know that was an option. Definitely going to call them tomorrow morning. And yeah, keeping copies is such good advice - I learned that the hard way with other government paperwork before šŸ“„

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CyberSamurai

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I went through this nightmare situation 2 years ago! First thing - don't panic, you WILL get this resolved. Here's what worked for me: 1) File by paper immediately with Form 8332 if you have it signed by the other parent, 2) Include a cover letter explaining the situation clearly, 3) Attach every piece of documentation you have (custody agreement, school enrollment, medical records, etc.). The IRS will send letters to both filers asking for proof. Since you have full custody and he lives with you, you should win the dispute. Just be prepared - it took about 9 months for mine to get resolved, but I got my full refund plus interest. Stay strong! šŸ’Ŗ

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The dealership is absolutely wrong about the "one per lifetime" rule - there's no such restriction on EV tax credits. I've actually claimed the credit twice myself: once in 2022 for a Chevy Bolt and again in 2024 for a Ford Mustang Mach-E. Both times I received the full $7,500 credit without any issues. What the dealership might be thinking of is that Tesla and GM temporarily lost eligibility for the credit a few years ago when they hit the 200,000 vehicle sales cap under the old rules. But that cap was completely eliminated with the Inflation Reduction Act changes in 2022. The current rules focus on vehicle price limits, income thresholds, and manufacturing requirements - not on how many times you've claimed the credit. As long as each vehicle purchase meets the current eligibility requirements and you have sufficient tax liability to use the credit, you can claim it multiple times. I'd suggest double-checking that your new vehicle is on the eligible list at fueleconomy.gov since not all EVs qualify for the full credit anymore due to battery component sourcing requirements.

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Mia Alvarez

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This is really helpful to hear from someone who's actually done it twice! I was getting so frustrated with the conflicting information from dealers. It's good to know that the old Tesla/GM cap situation might be what's causing the confusion. Quick question - when you claimed the credit the second time, did you have to do anything special on your tax return to show it was for a different vehicle, or is it pretty straightforward? I'm wondering if there's any extra paperwork or documentation needed when you've claimed it before.

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The dealership is definitely giving you incorrect information. There is no "one per household per lifetime" rule for EV tax credits. I work in tax preparation and see clients claim multiple EV credits regularly. The Clean Vehicle Credit can be claimed each time you purchase a qualifying electric vehicle, as long as you meet the current requirements for that tax year. The key restrictions are: - Income limits ($300K for joint filers, $225K for head of household, $150K for single) - Vehicle price caps ($55K for cars, $80K for SUVs/trucks/vans) - Final assembly in North America - Battery component and critical mineral sourcing requirements The confusion might stem from the old manufacturer cap that used to limit Tesla and GM vehicles, but that was completely eliminated in 2022 with the Inflation Reduction Act. I'd recommend checking if your specific new vehicle model qualifies at fueleconomy.gov before making the purchase, since many EVs now only qualify for partial credits or no credit due to the battery sourcing requirements. But the "lifetime limit" claim from your dealer is completely false.

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Pedro Sawyer

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Thanks for the detailed breakdown! As someone new to this community and considering my first EV purchase, this is incredibly helpful. I was almost scared off by similar misinformation from a dealer who told me the same "lifetime limit" story. Your point about checking the specific vehicle on fueleconomy.gov is crucial - I had no idea that different models might qualify for different amounts due to battery sourcing. It's frustrating that dealers aren't better informed about these tax implications, especially when they're such a big factor in purchase decisions. One follow-up question: when you mention "partial credits" due to battery requirements, what does that typically look like? Is it like $3,750 instead of $7,500, or are there other amounts?

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Omar Mahmoud

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Have you considered structuring some of this as a loyalty program instead of gifts? My boutique started a points program where clients earn rewards based on purchases. Since these rewards are directly tied to business transactions, they're treated differently than gifts. We document everything through our POS system, and our accountant confirmed this approach is more tax-advantageous than random gifting. Could you create something like "Pawsome Points" where clients earn rewards based on service frequency? This shifts the narrative from gifts to customer retention strategy, which has different tax implications.

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Chloe Harris

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This is actually brilliant! I do something similar for my lawn care business - clients get "Green Points" for each service that eventually convert to free treatments or upgraded services. Changed how my deductions work completely!

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As someone who's dealt with similar challenges in my service business, I'd suggest documenting everything with clear business justification from the start. The IRS looks favorably on expenses that have legitimate promotional or customer retention purposes beyond just goodwill. For your pet care business, consider creating "Pet Health & Safety Kits" that include educational materials about seasonal pet care along with your branded items. This shifts the focus from gifting to providing valuable business-related information to your clients. Also, since you're planning a subscription box division, start documenting these current expenses as market research and product development costs. Keep detailed records of client reactions, feedback, and how these "samples" inform your future business model. This could potentially make them fully deductible as business development expenses. The key is consistency - whatever approach you choose, apply it uniformly and document the business rationale clearly. Your tax advisor will appreciate having this groundwork already laid out when you meet with them.

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Kayla Morgan

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This is such solid advice! I love the idea of framing these as "Pet Health & Safety Kits" - that completely changes the business justification. As a newcomer to all this tax stuff, I'm realizing how important the documentation and framing really is. The market research angle for the subscription box planning is genius too. I never thought about how my current gift-giving could actually be considered product development research. Do you think I should be having clients fill out feedback forms about the items to strengthen that documentation? Also, when you mention "consistency" - does that mean I need to treat ALL my client interactions the same way, or can I have different categories (like welcome kits vs. holiday packages vs. loyalty rewards) as long as each category is applied consistently?

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