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Benjamin, I feel your pain on this one! I went through something similar with my consulting business a few years back. The 5-year waiting period is brutal, but you do have some legitimate options beyond just waiting it out. Based on what you've described, I'd focus on the "reasonable cause" exception that others have mentioned. The fact that you revoked the S election when your business income was minimal ($40k) and you had a full-time job suggests you made a reasonable business decision at the time - not a tax avoidance scheme. Now that your circumstances have completely changed (full-time business, $180k projected income), you have a strong case for demonstrating that the original revocation wasn't primarily for tax benefits. The IRS has approved similar requests when taxpayers can show genuine business reasons. I'd recommend documenting everything: your income levels in 2023, your employment status change, projections for this year, and any advice you received that led to the original revocation. This paper trail will be crucial for your letter ruling request. The private letter ruling route isn't cheap (around $3,000-$7,000 in fees), but with your projected income level, the S corp tax savings would likely justify the cost. Just make sure you work with someone experienced in these types of requests - the formatting and arguments matter a lot. Don't give up! The IRS rejection letter is just their standard response, but exceptions do exist for situations like yours.
Benjamin, I've been following this thread and wanted to add another perspective based on my experience with S corp elections. You mentioned you've been relying on "random internet advice" - that's actually more common than you think, and it might work in your favor for the reasonable cause exception. The IRS recognizes that small business owners often make decisions based on general guidance available at the time. What matters is that you made a rational business decision given your circumstances (part-time business, minimal income, full-time employment). One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the timing of your quarterly estimated payments. Since you're projecting $180k this year and currently operating as an LLC, you're facing self-employment tax on the full amount. That's roughly $25k+ in SE tax alone that S corp status could help reduce significantly. Given the urgency of your tax situation, I'd actually recommend pursuing multiple approaches simultaneously: 1. File for the private letter ruling as others suggested 2. Consider the new entity approach (with proper legal structure to avoid substance-over-form issues) 3. Document everything about your 2023 decision-making process while it's still fresh The cost of professional help now is likely far less than the tax consequences of staying in LLC status for another 2+ years. Don't let the initial rejection discourage you - the IRS form letters rarely tell the whole story about available options.
You raise a good point about potential conflicts between approaches. I should clarify - I'd recommend exploring them sequentially rather than simultaneously to avoid any mixed signals to the IRS. Start with documenting your 2023 decision-making process first. Even if you didn't keep formal records, try to reconstruct what you were researching. Check your browser history if possible, look for any emails or texts where you discussed the decision, even informal conversations with family/friends about the business finances. The IRS understands that small business owners don't always document everything formally. For the private letter ruling vs. new entity question - I'd actually suggest getting a preliminary assessment of your PLR chances before considering the new entity route. If a tax professional thinks your reasonable cause argument is strong, stick with that approach. The new entity option is really more of a backup plan if the PLR route looks unlikely to succeed. The key is presenting a coherent narrative: you made a reasonable business decision in 2023 based on your circumstances and available information, and now those circumstances have fundamentally changed. That story needs to be consistent regardless of which technical approach you ultimately pursue.
Good point about potential conflicts, Hunter! You're right to be cautious about pursuing contradictory strategies simultaneously. Let me clarify what I meant: The timing would be sequential, not parallel. You'd start with the PLR request for your existing entity first, since that's the most direct path and preserves your current business structure. Only if that gets denied or takes too long would you consider the new entity route as a backup plan. Regarding documentation, don't stress too much about having perfect records from 2023. The IRS understands that small business owners don't always maintain extensive documentation of their research process. What you can do now: 1. Recreate your thought process by finding similar articles/resources that were available in 2023 2. Document your income levels and employment status from that time period (tax returns, W-2s, etc.) 3. Write a detailed narrative of your business circumstances then vs. now The key is showing the dramatic change in your situation - part-time side business vs. full-time operation. That alone makes a compelling case for why your 2023 decision was reasonable but no longer applies. @8bffac711774 might have additional thoughts on the documentation piece since they seem to have been through this process before.
Hey tax community! According to the IRS2Go app and several tracking sites I follow (WMR, Tax Transcript tool), my refund is scheduled for direct deposit on March 3rd to my Netspend account. I'm curious if other Netspend users have received their deposits yet? From my experience working remotely with tax clients, Netspend sometimes releases funds early, but I've seen mixed results this season. Anyone in the same boat or already got their DD? https://www.irs.gov/refunds shows it's still processing but should hit accounts today.
You might want to check the ACH processing schedule. The Federal Reserve processes ACH transactions in windows, and many financial institutions don't process on weekends. Since your DDD falls on a Sunday, actual processing likely occurred Friday, but settlement might not complete until Monday. Netspend's policy is to release funds when they receive notification, not necessarily on the official settlement date.
I'm going through the exact same thing right now! My transcript shows the 846 code with March 3rd date, but still nothing in my Netspend account as of this afternoon. This is my first year using Netspend for my refund, so I wasn't sure what to expect timing-wise. Really helpful to see everyone's different experiences here - sounds like there's quite a bit of variation even with the same bank. I'll give it until tomorrow before I start worrying. Fingers crossed we both see our deposits soon!
Does anyone recommend any specific tax software that handles wash sales correctly? I tried using FreeTaxUSA last year and it was a nightmare trying to manually figure out all the wash sales from my trading.
TurboTax Premier has been decent for me with handling wash sales, but only if your brokerage provides a correct 1099-B with wash sales already calculated. If you're using a broker that doesn't adjust for wash sales on their forms, you're basically on your own with any software. I've heard H&R Block's premium version is also good for investors, but haven't tried it myself.
I want to clarify something important that might help ease your concerns. In your hypothetical scenario, you're thinking about this backwards. If you made $130k in gains and then later had losses that brought your net position down to $15, those are separate transactions. The wash sale rule would only disallow the losses if you repurchased the same securities within 30 days. But here's the key: those disallowed losses don't just disappear forever - they get added to the cost basis of your new shares. So let's say you had $129,985 in losses that were disallowed due to wash sales. That amount gets added to the cost basis of your repurchased shares. When you eventually sell those shares (and don't repurchase within 30 days), you'll get the benefit of that higher cost basis, which will reduce your taxable gain or increase your deductible loss. The timing is what creates the cash flow problem - you might owe taxes on the $130k gain this year, but the benefit of those disallowed losses will come when you sell the replacement shares. This is why active traders need to be very careful about year-end positioning and cash flow planning. You wouldn't permanently lose $38,985 - it's more of a timing issue that affects when you can claim those losses for tax purposes.
One thing to keep in mind - make sure you're keeping VERY detailed records of your poker/sports betting activities if you're reporting them as business income and setting up a SEP-IRA. The IRS scrutinizes gambling income closely, especially when it's used to establish retirement accounts. Daily logs of play time, tournaments entered, buy-ins, cash-outs, locations, witnesses, etc. - document everything. I learned this the hard way when I got audited in 2023 for my 2022 returns.
Do you have a particular system or app you recommend for tracking all this? I'm currently just using a messy spreadsheet but it's becoming unwieldy as my volume increases.
I use a combination of a dedicated poker tracking app (PokerTracker for online play) and a custom spreadsheet for live games. For sports betting, I use Action Network to track all my bets. The key is consistency and detail. Each day I record: date, location, game type, buy-in amount, cash-out amount, hours played, and any relevant notes. For tournaments, I track the specific tournament name/ID, buy-in, re-buys, and final position/payout. I also keep all physical receipts from casinos and screenshots of online cashouts. This level of documentation saved me during my audit.
Just want to add another perspective here - I went through this exact same situation last year when setting up my SEP-IRA with poker tournament winnings. The confusion around that gambling business question is totally understandable because the wording is misleading. What helped me was thinking about it this way: the IRS is trying to identify businesses that are in the gambling INDUSTRY (casinos, bookmakers, lottery operators) versus people who gamble professionally. You're a customer of gambling establishments, not operating one yourself. I selected "NO" on that question and had zero issues with my EIN approval or SEP-IRA setup. My CPA confirmed this was correct - the distinction is crucial for tax purposes but won't affect your ability to report poker/betting income as self-employment income on Schedule C. Just make sure you have solid documentation of your gambling activities as others have mentioned. The combination of professional gambling income + retirement account contributions does tend to get extra scrutiny, so having your records organized is essential.
Jordan Walker
Has anyone mentioned the built-in gains tax implications here? If your S-Corp has C Corp history or assets that appreciated before S election, distribution of those assets could trigger built-in gains tax. Probably not relevant for a new company, but worth mentioning. Also, for next year, consider setting up an accountable plan to handle business expenses paid from personal accounts properly. It's a formal way to handle reimbursements that avoids the paid-in capital complications entirely.
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Natalie Adams
โขAn accountable plan is absolutely the way to go forward! I set one up for my S-Corp last year and it makes everything so much cleaner. You just need to document business purpose, keep receipts, and reimburse within a reasonable time. No more confusion about what's paid-in capital vs what's a business expense.
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PixelPrincess
I've been through a similar situation with my S-Corp and mixed personal/business expenses. One thing that hasn't been fully addressed here is the timing issue - since you're filing for last year, you need to be very careful about how you document these transactions retroactively. For the paid-in capital from personal expenses, make sure you have clear documentation showing the business purpose of each expense. Bank statements alone won't be enough if questioned - you'll want receipts, invoices, and a clear business justification for each transaction. Regarding the disproportionate distributions issue that was mentioned, this is actually more serious than it might seem. The IRS can potentially revoke your S-Corp election if distributions aren't made pro-rata to ownership. Since only one shareholder took money out, you might want to consider having the other shareholder take an equivalent distribution (even if they immediately loan it back to the company) to maintain proportionality. Also, keep in mind that the IRS has been increasingly scrutinizing S-Corps that don't pay reasonable salaries. Even though you can't retroactively set up payroll for last year, documenting a plan to address this going forward will be important. Consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in S-Corp compliance before filing - the cost might be worth it to avoid potential penalties or losing your S election.
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