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Just wanted to add some clarity on the $300 threshold that's been mentioned - this is specifically for the "de minimis" rule under IRC Section 904(j). You can elect to claim foreign taxes as a deduction instead of a credit if you're under this threshold, OR you can still choose to claim them as a credit on Schedule 3 without filing Form 1116. One thing to watch out for though - if you have foreign taxes from sources like foreign mutual funds or PFICs (Passive Foreign Investment Companies), those have different rules and may require Form 1116 regardless of the amount. Most regular brokerage dividends from foreign stocks won't fall into this category, but it's worth double-checking your investment statements. Also, if you're planning to carry forward any excess foreign tax credits to future years, you'll need to file Form 1116 even if you're under the threshold, since the simplified method doesn't allow for carryforwards.
This is really helpful information about the de minimis rule! I'm new to dealing with foreign taxes and had no idea about the PFIC complications. Quick question - how can I tell from my brokerage statement if any of my investments might be PFICs? Is there usually some kind of designation or code that indicates this, or do I need to research each foreign investment individually? I'm trying to avoid any nasty surprises when I file, especially since I have some international ETFs in addition to individual foreign stocks.
@Aurora Lacasse Great question about identifying PFICs! Unfortunately, brokerage statements don t'always clearly mark PFIC status, which is one of the most frustrating aspects of this rule. For ETFs, most US-domiciled ETFs even (those tracking foreign markets are) generally NOT PFICs. However, foreign-domiciled ETFs usually ARE PFICs. You can often tell by looking at the fund s'domicile - if it s'incorporated in Ireland, Luxembourg, Canada, etc., it s'likely a PFIC. For individual foreign stocks, regular operating companies traded on major exchanges typically aren t'PFICs, but foreign mutual funds and some foreign REITs often are. Your broker might provide a year-end tax summary that identifies PFIC investments, but don t'rely on this alone. When in doubt, you can check the fund s'prospectus or contact the fund company directly. The consequences of missing PFIC reporting can be severe including (losing the ability to use foreign tax credits ,)so it s'worth being extra careful with the research.
I've been dealing with Form 1116 for a few years now and wanted to share some additional tips that might help others avoid common mistakes I made early on. One thing that tripped me up initially was the timing aspect - you need to use the foreign taxes that were actually withheld during the tax year, not when you received the dividend. This usually aligns, but sometimes there can be delays in reporting that create confusion. Also, if you're using the simplified Schedule 3 method (under the $300/$600 threshold), make sure you're not double-counting. Some people accidentally claim the same foreign taxes both as a deduction (if they itemize) and as a credit, which will definitely get flagged. For those with more complex situations, I'd recommend keeping a simple spreadsheet throughout the year tracking: date, country, type of income, amount of foreign tax, and exchange rate if applicable. It makes tax time so much easier than trying to reconstruct everything from scattered brokerage statements. The exchange rate piece is important too - you need to convert foreign taxes to USD using the appropriate exchange rate for the date the tax was paid, not the year-end rate.
This is exactly the kind of practical advice I wish I had when I first started dealing with foreign taxes! The timing aspect you mentioned about when taxes were withheld vs. when dividends were received is something that caught me off guard too. Your point about the exchange rate is particularly important - I made the mistake of using year-end rates my first time and had to go back and recalculate everything. For anyone reading this, the IRS has historical exchange rates available on their website that you can use for the conversion. The spreadsheet idea is brilliant. I've been keeping everything in a messy folder of brokerage statements, but tracking it throughout the year would save so much time. Do you have any specific columns you'd recommend beyond what you mentioned? I'm thinking maybe adding the security name and CUSIP might help with record-keeping too.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - what's the actual benefit you're trying to achieve with this structure? If it's just liability protection, there might be simpler ways to structure this. I had a Revocable Trust -> LLC structure for my business initially, and it was a huge headache for taxes. I ended up restructuring to simplify things. If it's for estate planning, have you considered whether a SMLLC owned by one spouse (with appropriate estate planning) might achieve your goals with less complexity? Or potentially an irrevocable trust structure if you're looking for asset protection?
The main reason we set it up this way was for probate avoidance and simplified transfer if something happens to either of us. We have young kids and wanted to make sure the business could continue operating smoothly if either of us passed away unexpectedly. We did consider having just one of us own the LLC, but since we both actively work in the business, we wanted the structure to reflect our actual roles. The revocable trust seemed like a good solution for keeping everything under one umbrella, but I'm definitely open to simplifying if this creates unnecessary tax complexity.
That makes sense for probate avoidance, but you might be overcomplicating things. A revocable trust can own business interests directly without needing the LLC layer in between if you're mainly concerned about probate. If you want liability protection AND probate avoidance, you might consider having the LLC owned directly by you and your wife (as joint tenants with right of survivorship or as tenants by the entirety if Georgia allows it), then creating transfer on death provisions in your operating agreement that specify how ownership transfers. This would still provide liability protection while simplifying the tax structure. For business continuity with minor children, you could include specific succession planning provisions in your operating agreement and potentially use life insurance held in an irrevocable trust to provide liquidity. I'd recommend consulting with an estate planning attorney who specializes in business succession planning - they might be able to suggest a cleaner structure that accomplishes your goals without creating tax filing complexity.
Based on everything discussed here, it seems pretty clear that you'll need to file Form 1065 for your LLC. The consensus from multiple experienced folks is that the IRS will look through both disregarded entities (your revocable trust and the SMLLC) and see two ultimate beneficial owners in a non-community property state. I'd suggest getting this confirmed officially before filing, especially since you mentioned this is your first year with this structure. The penalty risks for filing incorrectly on partnership returns can be significant. Also, for next year's planning, you might want to evaluate whether this structure is still serving your needs. From what you've described about wanting probate avoidance and business continuity, there might be simpler ways to achieve those goals without the Form 1065 complexity. An estate planning attorney who works with business owners could probably show you some alternatives that accomplish the same objectives with cleaner tax reporting. Good luck with your filing - and congratulations on the successful Amazon FBA business!
This is really helpful - thank you for summarizing everything so clearly! As someone who's been lurking on tax forums trying to figure out similar issues, it's great to see such a thorough discussion with practical advice. One quick follow-up question for the group: if they do end up filing Form 1065, are there any specific things to watch out for in terms of how to allocate the income between the spouses on the K-1s? Since they're both actively working in the business, I assume it would be 50/50, but I'm wondering if there are any nuances with the trust ownership structure that might affect this. Also, @4d3a8e299772, have you considered whether you need to make quarterly estimated payments differently now that you're potentially moving from Schedule C to partnership taxation? The timing and calculation might be slightly different.
Just a heads up to anyone filing Form 1065 - the deadline for calendar-year partnerships is March 15th, not April 15th like individual returns. I learned this the hard way last year and got hit with late filing penalties. Don't make my mistake!
You can file for an automatic 6-month extension using Form 7004 if you need more time. Just remember that the extension only gives you more time to file, not more time to pay any taxes owed (though partnerships themselves don't typically pay tax).
I went through this exact same situation last year with our 5-partner consulting business! After trying a few different options, here's what I learned: First, definitely avoid the super expensive professional software unless you have really complex allocations. For most small partnerships, you don't need to spend $500+ on Drake or UltraTax. I ended up using TaxACT Business after comparing it with H&R Block and TaxSlayer. TaxACT was around $200 for the business package and handled our Form 1065 and K-1 generation without any issues. The e-filing process was straightforward - just had to create an account, enter our partnership info, and the software walked me through each section. One tip: make sure you have your partnership's EIN ready and double-check that all partner SSNs are correct before you start. I made a typo on one partner's SSN and it caused our initial e-file to get rejected, which was stressful with the March 15th deadline approaching. The software automatically generates all the K-1s once you complete the main 1065 form, and you can print or email them directly to your partners. Much easier than I expected!
This is really helpful! I'm in a similar boat with our 4-partner partnership and was getting overwhelmed by all the different software options. The TaxACT Business recommendation is exactly what I needed - something that's not crazy expensive but still handles the e-filing properly. Quick question about the EIN - did you need to have any special paperwork or documentation ready when setting up the e-filing, or was it just the EIN and partner info? I want to make sure I have everything prepared before I start so I don't run into any delays like you mentioned. Also really appreciate the heads up about double-checking the SSNs. That's exactly the kind of mistake I could see myself making when I'm rushing to meet the deadline!
Great question! Your understanding is mostly correct. As a US tax resident, you generally don't owe US taxes on the premiums you pay or the policy's cash value growth while you're just maintaining the policy. You're also correct about including it on your FBAR since the cash surrender value exceeds $10,000. However, there are a few additional considerations: 1. **Form 8938 (FATCA reporting)** - You may also need to report this on Form 8938 if your total foreign financial assets exceed the filing thresholds (generally $50,000 for single filers living in the US, higher for married couples). 2. **Policy structure matters** - Make sure your policy qualifies as legitimate life insurance under US tax principles. If it's heavily investment-focused or has unusual features, it could potentially be treated as a PFIC (Passive Foreign Investment Company), which would trigger additional reporting and tax complications. 3. **Future tax events** - You're right that taxation typically occurs when you cash out the surrender value or take distributions. The death benefit to your beneficiaries generally wouldn't be taxable to them as US income. Given the complexity of international tax issues, it might be worth having a tax professional review your specific policy to ensure you're meeting all reporting requirements correctly.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to dealing with foreign financial assets and the reporting requirements seem overwhelming. Could you clarify what happens if I've been missing the Form 8938 filing? I've been diligent about FBAR but only recently learned about FATCA reporting. Also, regarding the PFIC determination - is there a specific ratio or threshold that determines when a life insurance policy crosses into PFIC territory? My policy does have some investment options but the death benefit is still the primary component.
@Ella Lewis Great questions! For missed Form 8938 filings, you have a few options. If the failure was due to reasonable cause and not willful neglect, you might be able to file late returns without penalties. The IRS also has programs like the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures for taxpayers who weren t'aware of their filing obligations. I d'recommend consulting with a tax professional to determine the best approach for your situation. Regarding PFIC determination for life insurance, there isn t'a single bright-line test, but the IRS generally looks at whether the policy is primarily insurance or primarily investment. Key factors include: the death benefit to cash value ratio, whether you can direct investments within the policy, and the policy s'overall structure. A traditional whole life or term life policy with modest cash value growth typically won t'be a PFIC, but variable or universal life policies with significant investment components might be. The determination really depends on the specific policy features and how it s'structured under your home country s'laws.
One aspect that hasn't been covered yet is the potential impact of tax treaties. Since you mentioned you're a foreign national from your home country, there might be a tax treaty between the US and your country that could affect how your life insurance policy is treated. For example, some tax treaties have specific provisions for life insurance that can provide beneficial treatment or clarify reporting requirements. The treaty might also affect whether certain income from the policy would be taxable in the US versus your home country. Additionally, if you ever decide to move back to your home country while maintaining US tax residency (like keeping your green card), you'll want to understand how the substantial presence test and treaty tie-breaker rules might affect your obligations. I'd suggest looking up the specific tax treaty between the US and your home country - Publication 901 from the IRS lists all current treaties. This could potentially simplify your situation or provide additional protections you might not be aware of.
This is an excellent point about tax treaties that I hadn't considered! I'm actually from Japan, and I know there's a US-Japan tax treaty, but I've never looked into whether it has specific provisions for life insurance. Do you know if there's a way to determine which specific articles of a tax treaty apply to life insurance policies? I've tried reading through some treaty language before and it can be pretty dense. Also, since I'm maintaining my green card but might eventually return to Japan for work, understanding those tie-breaker rules could be really important for my long-term planning. Thanks for bringing this up - it sounds like I need to do some homework on the treaty provisions!
Rajiv Kumar
10 Does anyone know if filing late affects stimulus payments or child tax credits from 2022? I have two kids and I'm worried I might lose out on those credits if I file super late.
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Rajiv Kumar
ā¢13 You won't lose eligibility for the child tax credit by filing late. The enhanced child tax credit was for 2021, and 2022 went back to the regular credit (up to $2,000 per qualifying child). As long as you file within the 3-year window to claim a refund, you can still receive those credits. As for stimulus payments, the last economic impact payment (stimulus) was issued in 2021, so there weren't any new stimulus payments for the 2022 tax year. If you missed claiming any previous stimulus payments, you would have needed to claim them on your 2021 return as a Recovery Rebate Credit.
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Myles Regis
Just to add some reassurance - I was in almost the exact same boat as you last year! Completely forgot to file my 2022 taxes due to a crazy year of life changes. The good news is that if you're expecting a refund (which sounds likely based on your withholdings), you have plenty of time and won't face any penalties. My advice: Don't panic, but don't delay much longer either. Gather all your tax documents (W-2s, 1099s, etc.) and get started with TurboTax or whatever software you prefer. Even if you discover you owe a small amount, filing late is always better than not filing at all, and the IRS is surprisingly reasonable about payment plans if needed. The worst part is the stress and anxiety of not knowing - once you actually sit down and do it, it's usually not as bad as you've built it up to be in your head. You've got this!
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