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I'm confused about something slightly different but related. Does the order of withdrawals matter? Like if I take money from my 401k first and then later from my Roth, does that affect how my Social Security gets taxed compared to taking them in a different order?

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AaliyahAli

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Yes, the order absolutely matters! This is actually a key part of retirement withdrawal strategy. Taking taxable distributions from your 401k will increase your adjusted gross income, which could push more of your Social Security benefits into the taxable range. Many financial planners suggest being strategic about which accounts you draw from in which years. Sometimes it makes sense to take Roth distributions (which don't affect your provisional income) during years when you might otherwise cross those taxation thresholds for Social Security.

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Toot-n-Mighty

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This is exactly the kind of confusion that trips up so many people planning for retirement! The "nontaxable interest" terminology is misleading because it sounds like it shouldn't matter if it's not taxed. Here's a simple way to think about it: The IRS wants to capture your true economic capacity when deciding how much of your Social Security to tax. So even though municipal bond interest isn't subject to federal income tax, it still represents money flowing into your pocket that increases your ability to pay taxes. Your Roth IRA situation is different - qualified distributions (including growth) from a Roth IRA are completely excluded from the provisional income calculation. This makes Roth accounts incredibly valuable for retirement tax planning, especially if you're concerned about Social Security taxation. One thing to keep in mind: while Roth distributions don't count, any traditional IRA or 401k distributions DO count as part of your adjusted gross income in this calculation. So if you have both types of accounts, you can be strategic about which one you withdraw from each year to manage your provisional income and potentially reduce how much of your Social Security gets taxed.

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Hazel Garcia

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm new to thinking about retirement taxes and this whole thread has been eye-opening. I had no idea that municipal bonds could actually work against you for Social Security taxation - that seems so counterintuitive since they're "tax-free." Your point about being strategic with traditional vs Roth withdrawals is really interesting. Is there a rule of thumb for how to decide which account to tap first? I'm still years away from retirement but want to start planning now.

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Chloe Anderson

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Have you: β€’ Checked your transcript for codes? β€’ Verified if you have credits subject to PATH Act? β€’ Confirmed your filing was actually accepted on Jan 31st (not just submitted)? β€’ Called the automated refund hotline at 800-829-1954? The 21-day timeline is just a guideline, not a guarantee.

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Samantha Hall

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The confusion between business days vs calendar days is completely understandable! As others have mentioned, the IRS does count business days for their 21-day processing guideline, which excludes weekends and federal holidays. However, I want to point out something that might help clarify the mixed information you're receiving: the IRS website itself states that "9 out of 10 refunds are issued within 21 days" without always specifying business vs calendar days in their general communications. This creates the confusion you're experiencing. For your January 31st filing date, counting 21 business days with Presidents Day excluded would indeed land you around February 29th. I'd recommend checking your account transcript online at irs.gov - it will show any processing codes that might explain delays beyond the standard timeline. The transcript is often more informative than the Where's My Refund tool.

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This is really helpful clarification! I'm new to filing my own taxes and had no idea there was a difference between how the IRS communicates their timelines versus how they actually calculate them internally. The transcript suggestion is great - I didn't even know that was available online. Is there a specific code I should be looking for that would indicate normal processing versus a hold or review?

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Pro tip: Next year make sure u double check the direct deposit info b4 submitting. One wrong number and it defaults to paper check

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Vincent Bimbach

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yeah learned that the hard way πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

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Bethany Groves

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in the same boat rn. day 22 of waiting 😀

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Emma Davis

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Hang in there! Should be any day now if you're at day 22. Mine came on day 19 last year (Texas). The waiting is the worst part πŸ˜…

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Check if your housing might qualify as excludable under Section 119 of the tax code! If the housing was provided for the "convenience of the employer" and on the employer's premises, and you were required to accept the housing as a condition of employment, it might not be taxable. Worth looking into before you amend!

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Emma Morales

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This is incorrect advice for an internship situation. Section 119 almost never applies to urban internship housing. The "on the employer's premises" requirement is very strict and a Manhattan apartment wouldn't qualify. Source: I'm a CPA who deals with this exact issue regularly.

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I went through something very similar last year with a tech company that forgot to report my relocation bonus. The whole process was honestly less scary than I expected once I got started. A few practical tips from my experience: First, gather all your documents from that tax year (original W2, W2C, your filed return, any records of the housing arrangement). The IRS will want to see everything matches up. Second, if you used tax software originally, most programs like TurboTax or H&R Block have tools specifically for amended returns that walk you through the W2C situation step by step. One thing that surprised me - I actually ended up getting a small state refund because the additional federal tax I owed put me in a higher bracket that qualified for a bigger state deduction. So it's not always doom and gloom! The interest on what you owe will probably be manageable since it's only been 3 years, not like 10. Definitely don't wait though. The company already sent the corrected info to the IRS, so their computers will eventually flag the mismatch anyway. Better to handle it on your terms.

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MoonlightSonata

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This is really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through it! I'm definitely feeling less panicked now. Quick question - when you say you got a state refund, does that mean you had to file amended state returns too? I'm in New York and worked in Manhattan, so I'm wondering if I need to deal with both state and city taxes on this housing benefit. The whole multi-jurisdiction thing is making my head spin.

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Elijah Knight

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This is really helpful to know! I'm dealing with a similar situation right now - been checking my transcript obsessively and no 846 code yet, but after reading these experiences I'm going to start checking my bank account more frequently too. It's frustrating that the IRS systems aren't synchronized, but at least now I know it's not just me being paranoid about the timing. Does anyone know if there's a pattern to when these batch updates typically happen? Like are there certain days of the week when transcripts are more likely to update?

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Caleb Stone

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Great question about the batch timing! From what I've observed, transcript updates seem to happen most frequently on Fridays (overnight Thursday to Friday), but I've also seen updates on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. The IRS processes refunds in cycles, and it seems like they don't follow a strict weekly schedule. I'd recommend checking both your transcript AND your bank account daily if you're expecting a refund - that way you won't miss it regardless of which system updates first!

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Zainab Ahmed

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This is really eye-opening! I had no idea this could happen. I've been religiously checking my transcript every morning for the past two weeks waiting for that 846 code to appear, but now I'm wondering if I should be checking my bank account just as frequently. It's honestly pretty frustrating that the IRS can't keep their own systems in sync - like, how hard is it to update both databases at the same time? But I guess if there's a chance my refund could show up early, I'm not going to complain. Has anyone found that calling the IRS helps clarify the timing, or is it just a waiting game regardless?

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TechNinja

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I totally feel your frustration! I'm new here but going through the exact same thing - checking my transcript multiple times a day like it's going to magically change. πŸ˜… From what I'm reading in this thread, it sounds like calling the IRS might not be worth the hours on hold since this seems to be just how their systems work (or don't work together). I think I'm going to follow the advice here and start checking my bank account daily too. At least now I know I'm not the only one obsessing over this timing!

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