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Omar Fawzi

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My situation was pretty similar last year excepted I had 2 kids. Got back like 7k total between federal and state. Your probably gonna get more with the extra dependents

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thats awesome to hear! fingers crossed šŸ¤ž

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Isaac Wright

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With your income and family situation, you're definitely looking at a substantial refund! At $24k income with 4 dependents, you'll likely qualify for the maximum Earned Income Tax Credit (around $6,935 for 3+ qualifying children), plus Child Tax Credit for your kids under 17 ($2,000 each). The adult dependent should get you the Other Dependent Credit ($500). Quick math: you're probably looking at $8k-10k federal refund, maybe more. Plus you'll get most of that state withholding back too. Definitely file as Head of Household and make sure to gather all your documentation for the dependents. You should be able to file soon since the IRS opens for e-filing on January 27th this year!

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Kiara Greene

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I messed this up last year and had to file an amended return! TurboTax showed the self-employment tax deduction but I thought it was an error and removed it. Ended up paying more taxes than I needed to. For anyone who's confused like I was: this is legitimate and automatic in tax software. Just leave it alone and let it calculate correctly. My mistake cost me a few hundred dollars plus the hassle of filing an amended return.

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Amy Fleming

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Wow thank you all for these answers! So if I understand right, I'm seeing the "self-employment tax" listed as a deduction because I get to deduct half of what I'm paying in SE tax from my income before calculating income tax? That does make sense now! I'm definitely still paying the full SE tax amount, but at least I get a little break on income tax. I thought TurboTax was glitching or something. This helps me feel more confident that everything is calculating correctly.

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Mei Lin

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Just to add one more perspective as someone who's been self-employed for several years - this deduction is one of the few tax breaks that actually helps level the playing field a bit between employees and self-employed folks. When you're an employee, your employer pays their half of Social Security/Medicare taxes and gets to deduct that as a business expense. Since self-employed people ARE the employer, we get to deduct the "employer portion" (half) of our SE taxes. It might help to think of it this way: you're wearing two hats - employee and employer. The employee half pays 7.65% in payroll taxes, and the employer half pays 7.65% and gets to deduct it. The SE tax deduction lets you deduct the employer portion just like any other business would. The math can definitely look weird in tax software at first, but once you understand the logic behind it, it makes perfect sense!

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Paolo Marino

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Don't forget about debt basis too! The basis calculation gets more complicated if you have loans to the S corp. Also remember that the order matters: 1. Income increases basis 2. Non-deductible expenses decrease basis 3. Distributions decrease basis In your example, since income exactly equals your salary + distributions, your ending basis is correctly $0. But as others mentioned, that doesn't make the distributions capital gains - they're still return of capital because you had sufficient basis when taking them.

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Amina Bah

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So what tax forms would show this? Is this all reported on the K-1 or somewhere else?

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The K-1 (Form 1120S Schedule K-1) is where most of this gets reported. Box 16 shows distributions to shareholders, and your share of income/losses flows through via Box 1 (ordinary income). However, the K-1 doesn't directly show your basis calculation - that's something you need to track separately. You'll report the pass-through income on your personal return (Form 1040), but the distributions themselves aren't directly reported as taxable income since they're return of capital up to your basis. The tricky part is that YOU are responsible for tracking your basis year over year - the IRS doesn't do this for you. I'd recommend keeping a simple spreadsheet tracking: starting basis + income + other increases - distributions - losses = ending basis. This becomes crucial if you ever have distributions that exceed basis, because then you'd need to report the excess as capital gains on Schedule D.

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Chloe Martin

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This is really helpful! I've been struggling to understand how to track my S-corp basis properly. Do you know of any good spreadsheet templates or tools specifically designed for tracking S-corp shareholder basis over multiple years? It seems like something that would be easy to mess up if you're doing it manually, especially with multiple income sources, loans, and distribution timing.

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Donna Cline

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Anyone know if this applies to ACTC (Additional Child Tax Credit) too? My tax software is giving me both EIC and ACTC even though my divorce decree says my ex claims our son this year.

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No, you cannot claim the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) if you're not claiming the child as a dependent. The ACTC is directly tied to the Child Tax Credit, which goes to whoever claims the child as a dependent. Unlike EIC, the ACTC is not based on where the child lived but on who has the right to claim the dependency exemption. If your divorce decree gives your ex the right to claim your child this year, then both the CTC and ACTC belong to your ex, not you.

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Carmen Diaz

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This is exactly the kind of confusion that trips up so many divorced parents! Your tax software is actually correct - you CAN claim the Earned Income Credit even though your ex will be claiming the Child Tax Credit for your daughter. The key thing to understand is that the IRS treats these as completely different types of benefits. The EIC is what's called a "custodial benefit" - it goes to the parent the child actually lived with for more than half the year, regardless of any custody agreements about who claims the child as a dependent. Since your daughter lived with you for more than 6 months, you qualify for EIC based on your income. Your ex can still claim the Child Tax Credit because your custody agreement gives him the right to claim her as a dependent, but that doesn't affect your EIC eligibility at all. Make sure you keep good records showing your daughter lived with you for more than half the year (school records, medical records, etc.) in case the IRS ever questions it. But you're absolutely entitled to that EIC - don't leave money on the table because of bad advice!

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Omar Zaki

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Thank you for breaking this down so clearly! I'm dealing with a similar situation and was worried I might be doing something wrong. One question - when you mention keeping records that show the child lived with you for more than half the year, what specific documents does the IRS typically look for? I have school enrollment records showing my address, but I'm wondering if there are other types of documentation I should be collecting just in case.

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Dana Doyle

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Great question! The IRS typically looks for records that show where the child actually lived day-to-day. School enrollment records with your address are excellent evidence. Other good documentation includes: - Medical/dental records showing your address as the primary contact - Daycare or after-school program records - Records of extracurricular activities (sports teams, music lessons, etc.) - Library card or other municipal records showing the child's address - Any correspondence from schools, doctors, or other institutions addressed to the child at your home The key is having multiple sources that consistently show the child's primary residence was with you for more than half the year. Even things like photos with timestamps showing the child at your home throughout the year can help establish the pattern of residence. One thing many people don't realize - you don't need to prove exact days. The IRS understands that life isn't always perfectly documented. As long as you can show the child's primary residence was clearly with you for the majority of the year, that's typically sufficient.

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Would it be better to adjust your W-4 with your employer so they don't withhold as much in the first place? Seems like a waste to let the government hold onto your money interest-free all year.

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Simon White

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100% this. I adjusted my W-4 after being in the same situation. If you know you're under the standard deduction, you can claim "exempt" on your W-4 and have $0 federal income tax withheld. You'll still have FICA taxes taken out though.

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Yuki Sato

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You're definitely in luck! With income under the standard deduction ($12,950 for single filers in 2024), you shouldn't owe any federal income tax. However, keep in mind that the $1,260 withheld likely includes both federal income tax AND FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare at 7.65%). You'll get back the federal income tax portion but not the FICA. Quick math: on $11,800 income, FICA would be about $902, so you might get back around $358 in federal income tax refund. But definitely file to claim it! Also consider if you qualify for any refundable credits like the Earned Income Credit - these could potentially give you back MORE than what was withheld. And next year, you might want to adjust your W-4 to reduce withholding since you're under the taxable threshold.

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Amina Toure

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This is really helpful math! I'm in a similar situation as OP and was wondering about the FICA breakdown. So if I understand correctly, the FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare) are basically gone forever each paycheck, but any federal income tax withheld above what I actually owe comes back as a refund? Also, you mentioned the Earned Income Credit - are there age requirements for that? I'm only 19 and don't have kids, so wasn't sure if I'd qualify for any credits beyond just getting my overwithholding back.

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