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So I've got a bit of a situation with two LLCs that haven't been operating at all this year. One of them already got administratively dissolved (basically the state shut it down for me), and I'm in the process of filing articles of dissolution for the second one. Someone told me that for this second LLC, I would need to cancel the EIN with the IRS. But I'm not really sure what's involved with that. I've got two main questions: 1) Do I really need to go through the process of cancelling the EIN, or can I just dissolve the LLC with the state and be done with it? 2) Do I still have to file tax returns for these LLCs even though they've done literally zero business this year? They're set up as S-Corps, and my accountant is saying I'd have to file taxes for them regardless and it's going to cost around $850 each to file them! That seems ridiculous for companies that made $0. I'm trying to close these down properly without spending a fortune. Any advice would be super helpful!
I'm a CPA and thinking about doing some side work during tax season. Honestly trying to understand the whole PTIN vs EFIN situation. Even though I'm a CPA, do I still need both a PTIN and EFIN to legally prepare taxes for compensation? Or does my CPA license cover this already? Also, if I get these registrations now (in December), would I be able to help people with their 2024 returns during the upcoming tax season in early 2025? Or am I too late to the game? I've seen conflicting info online about the timing and requirements. Any insight from other tax pros would be super helpful!
Just to clarify about EFINs - the IRS has gotten a lot stricter about them. If you're a sole proprietor, you need to submit fingerprints with your application now (either electronically or by mail with the card they send you). And they're doing more thorough background checks. My coworker got delayed because of a 15-year-old misdemeanor that showed up in the background check. Also, if you're planning to prepare and file state returns, check if your state has additional requirements beyond the federal PTIN and EFIN. Some states have their own registration processes and continuing education requirements.
Thanks for mentioning this! Does anyone know if having a CPA license makes the EFIN process any smoother? I've heard they sometimes waive some requirements for CPAs but not sure if that's actually true.
Having a CPA license doesn't exempt you from the fingerprinting or background check requirements for the EFIN. In fact, the IRS treats all applicants the same in that regard regardless of credentials. The main advantage of being a CPA comes with the PTIN continuing education requirements. CPAs, EAs, and attorneys are exempt from the IRS Annual Filing Season Program requirements because they already have continuing education requirements through their credential. But for the EFIN specifically, there's no fast track or exemptions for CPAs that I'm aware of.
Great thread everyone! As someone who went through this process last year, I wanted to add a few practical tips: 1. **PTIN timing**: While Oliver mentioned PTINs are issued quickly online, be prepared for potential delays during peak application periods (November-January). I'd recommend applying ASAP to avoid any last-minute issues. 2. **EFIN considerations**: If you're just starting out with tax prep, consider whether you actually need your own EFIN right away. Many new preparers partner with established firms or use third-party e-filing services for their first season to test the waters before committing to the full EFIN process. 3. **State requirements**: Mikayla touched on this, but definitely research your state's specific requirements. Some states require separate registrations even if you have a CPA license. California, for example, has its own CTEC registration for non-credentialed preparers, though CPAs are exempt. 4. **Insurance**: Something not mentioned yet - consider professional liability insurance once you start preparing returns for compensation. Your CPA license might provide some coverage, but tax preparation has its own specific risks. Ashley, to directly answer your question: Yes, you need the PTIN regardless of your CPA status, and getting it now will absolutely cover you for the 2024 tax season. The EFIN is only if you want to e-file directly yourself.
I received a notification that IRS needed to verify my 2024 tax return but never got the actual letter in the mail. Called the IRS today and they asked me several questions to verify my identity. The agent told me everything looked good and that I just need to wait the standard 21 days for processing. Just checked and noticed the verification notice is completely gone from my online account, and my Where's My Refund tool updated with new info. My transcript is still showing nothing, but is this disappearing notice and WMR update a positive sign? This is the only change I've seen since filing.
I recommend taking a screenshot of your current WMR status and transcript, then check again in exactly 24 hours. That's typically when the system does its updates. If you see movement two days in a row, that's a really good sign that your return is actively being worked.
The disappearing notice and WMR update are definitely positive signs! I went through something very similar a few weeks ago - called for verification, notice vanished the next day, and WMR updated shortly after. My transcript stayed completely blank for about 5 days after that, which had me worried, but then boom - suddenly showed the 846 refund code and my money was in my account 2 days later. The transcripts really do lag behind everything else. Since the agent told you everything looked good and to wait 21 days, you're probably looking at getting your refund much sooner than that. Keep checking your transcript every few days but don't panic if it stays blank for a bit longer!
Hey tax wizards! ๐งโโ๏ธ I'm trying to figure out if preparation fees were taken out of my state refund. Looking at the numbers, I think they already deducted something from my state return. I filed both federal and state together through a tax preparation service, and I chose the option to pay fees from my refund (because who has extra cash lying around before getting their refund, right? ๐ ). I've received my federal refund in full, but the state amount seems lower than what I calculated. I've gone through the preparation summary multiple times and can't find clear documentation about where exactly the fees came from. I'm not from the US originally, so maybe I'm missing something obvious in how this works? Any guidance on how to verify this would be greatly appreciated!
The tax preparation industry is like a restaurant that doesn't show prices on the menu until after you've eaten. The fees are almost certainly taken from your federal refund, not state. Think of it like this: the federal government is the big bank that allows third-party withdrawals, while most states are like the small-town credit union that doesn't allow such arrangements. If your state refund is lower than expected, it's probably due to a calculation error or a misunderstanding of your state's deduction rules.
But wouldn't the state tax authority have some record of this? If the full refund was issued but the taxpayer received less, shouldn't there be some documentation of where that money went? What happens if the federal refund isn't large enough to cover the preparation fees?
Noah, as someone who's navigated this exact confusion before, I can tell you with confidence that preparation fees are almost always taken from your federal refund only. Most states don't allow third-party fee deductions from state refunds - it's a federal mechanism. Here's what you should do: Log into your tax prep service's online portal and look for a document called "Refund Processing Summary" or "Fee Disbursement Report." This will show exactly which refund the fees came from. If you can't find it online, call them directly - they're legally required to provide this breakdown. Your lower state refund is likely due to something else entirely. Double-check your state tax calculations, especially if you claimed any state-specific credits or deductions. Sometimes the software estimates don't account for all the state-level adjustments that happen during processing. The good news is that if fees were mistakenly taken from your state refund (which is rare), your tax prep company would need to refund that difference to you. But I'd bet money it's a calculation issue, not a fee deduction! ๐ฐ
Hey tax folks! I'm trying to figure out my taxes for this year and I'm really confused about the Earned Income Credit (EIC). I work as a bartender and make around $38,000 a year including tips, but after my 401k contributions and health insurance, my AGI is quite a bit lower. When I'm calculating if I qualify for the EIC, should I be using my gross income or my adjusted gross income (AGI)? I have one child who lives with me full-time if that makes a difference. This is my first year filing with a dependent so I want to make sure I'm doing everything right and getting all the credits I'm eligible for. Thanks for any help!
Is there a quick way to estimate how much EIC I might get? I'm a single parent with 2 kids making about $32,000 from my job and some gig work.
For a single parent with 2 qualifying children and an earned income/AGI of $32,000 for 2024 (filing in 2025), you'd be looking at approximately $5,700-$6,000 in EIC. You're actually in a sweet spot where you'll get close to the maximum credit amount. The exact amount will depend on your precise income and filing status (head of household, I'm assuming). The IRS has an EITC Assistant tool on their website that can give you a more precise estimate if you enter your specific details.
Just to add some clarity for the original poster @Malik Johnson - since you mentioned you're a bartender with tips, make sure you're reporting ALL your tip income accurately. The IRS pays close attention to tip reporting in the service industry, and underreporting tips can not only get you in trouble but also reduce your EIC since it's based on your reported earned income. If your employer doesn't already track and report all your tips through payroll, you'll need to use Form 4137 to report unreported tip income. This includes cash tips that customers give you directly. Many bartenders don't realize that underreporting tips actually hurts them twice - once by potentially triggering an audit, and again by reducing credits like the EIC that they're entitled to. With your AGI being lower than your gross due to 401k and health insurance, you're in a good position for the EIC. Just make sure your tip reporting is accurate and complete!
Jade Santiago
Hey I've dealt with this exact situation. If your LLCs are just holding companies or consulting entities with no assets, you're in a much better position than most. One thing to consider is using IRS Form 966 (Corporate Dissolution or Liquidation) along with your final 1120-S returns. It's not technically required for S-Corps but can help document the dissolution properly. Also, your accountant's fee of $850 seems high for entities with no activity. Might be worth shopping around - I found an accountant who specialized in business closures and charged me $375 for my final S-Corp return with zero activity.
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Caleb Stone
Form 966 is for C-Corps, not S-Corps. Using that form for an S-Corp dissolution could actually cause confusion. S-Corp owners just need to file the final 1120-S with the final return box checked and zeroes in all the relevant fields.
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Isabella Oliveira
Just went through this exact process with my consulting LLC that elected S-Corp status. A few key points that might help: 1) You're absolutely right to be frustrated about the $850 fee for zero-activity returns, but unfortunately it's required. However, you can significantly reduce costs by doing some of the prep work yourself. Since you had no business activity, your Form 1120-S will basically be all zeros except for basic entity information. 2) For the EIN notification, I sent a simple letter to the IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line at the Cincinnati processing center. Include your business name, EIN, date of dissolution, and a brief statement that the entity has been dissolved. Keep a copy for your records. 3) Don't forget about your state requirements - many states require a final franchise tax return even with zero activity, and some have specific dissolution tax forms. The penalties for missing these can be worse than just filing them. 4) One money-saving tip: if both LLCs are in the same state and have similar structures, see if your accountant will give you a discount for preparing both final returns together. Mine knocked off about 20% for the second entity since most of the work was duplicated. The whole process is definitely a pain for inactive businesses, but better to close them properly than deal with ongoing compliance issues down the road.
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Mateo Silva
This is really helpful, especially the tip about getting a discount for multiple entities! I'm definitely going to ask my accountant about that since both LLCs have identical situations. One question about the EIN notification letter - did you send it certified mail or just regular mail? I want to make sure there's some record that the IRS received it, especially since I've heard horror stories about the IRS claiming they never got important documents. Also, do you remember roughly how long it took to get confirmation that they processed your notification, or did you just assume it went through after sending it?
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Carmen Flores
I sent mine certified mail with return receipt requested - definitely worth the extra few dollars for peace of mind! The IRS doesn't typically send back a confirmation letter, but the certified mail receipt shows they received it. I also kept copies of everything (the letter, certified mail receipt, and my state dissolution documents) in one folder in case I ever need to prove I properly closed the businesses. Never got any follow-up from the IRS, which I took as a good sign. For what it's worth, I also called the IRS business line about 6 months later (using that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier) just to double-check that my EIN showed as "inactive" in their system. The agent confirmed they had my notification on file and the business was properly closed in their records. Made me feel much better about the whole process.
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