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Diego Rojas

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One thing I'd add is to be very careful about the business purpose requirement. The IRS has been scrutinizing these arrangements more closely lately, especially when it's a single-owner S corp renting the owner's residence. Make sure your meetings have a genuine business purpose that couldn't reasonably be conducted elsewhere - like confidential strategic planning, board meetings with sensitive information, or client meetings requiring privacy. I've seen cases where the IRS challenged rentals for routine staff meetings that could have been held at the regular office. Also, spread your 14 days throughout the year rather than clustering them together, as that looks more natural and less like tax avoidance. Document everything meticulously - meeting agendas, attendee lists, business outcomes, and photos if possible.

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Connor Byrne

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This is really helpful advice about the business purpose requirement. I'm curious about the documentation aspect - when you mention taking photos of meetings, what exactly should those photos show? Just the meeting in progress, or should they capture specific business materials being discussed? Also, regarding spreading the 14 days throughout the year, is there a minimum time gap the IRS expects between rental periods, or is it more about avoiding obvious patterns that look artificial?

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Great points about business purpose documentation! I'd also recommend keeping contemporaneous notes during each meeting that clearly outline the business decisions made and why the home setting was necessary. For example, if you're discussing a potential acquisition, document that the confidential nature required a private setting away from employees who might overhear at the office. Regarding timing, while there's no specific IRS rule about spacing, I've found that having rentals coincide with natural business cycles (quarterly planning sessions, annual strategy meetings, etc.) helps establish legitimacy. The key is that each rental should have an independent business justification rather than appearing to be manufactured just to hit the 14-day limit. One more tip: consider having your attorney or CPA attend some of these meetings when appropriate. Their presence and professional notes can add significant credibility if questioned later.

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Dylan Fisher

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I've been researching the Augusta Rule for my S corp as well, and one critical aspect I haven't seen mentioned yet is the impact on your homeowner's insurance. When you start using your residence for business meetings, even just 14 days a year, you may need to notify your insurance company or potentially add a business rider to your policy. Some insurers could deny claims if they discover undisclosed commercial use of the property. Also, for those tracking fair market rates, I've found it helpful to document not just the rental rate but also what specific amenities justify that rate - things like high-speed internet, presentation equipment, catering facilities, or privacy features that make your home particularly suitable for business use. This additional documentation can really strengthen your position if the IRS questions your rental rate during an audit. One more consideration: if you're planning to do this strategy long-term, consider how it might affect a future sale of your home. While the Augusta Rule income is tax-free, you'll want clean documentation showing the business use was minimal and temporary to avoid any complications with the home sale exclusion under Section 121.

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Abigail Patel

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This is excellent advice about the homeowner's insurance implications - I hadn't even considered that angle! The point about documenting specific amenities that justify your rental rate is particularly valuable. I'm curious about the Section 121 home sale exclusion you mentioned - could you elaborate on what kind of complications might arise? Are you referring to potential issues with the "business use" test, or is there something specific about the Augusta Rule rentals that could affect the $250k/$500k exclusion when selling your primary residence? I want to make sure I'm not creating any unintended tax consequences down the road.

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Just to add another perspective - I understand the frustration of wanting to avoid tax complications for what seems like a simple withdrawal of your original investment. Unfortunately, the tax code doesn't work that way since it's based on transactions, not account balances. One thing that might help is thinking about it differently: you're not really "withdrawing your original investment" - you're selling an asset that has appreciated in value. The $1350 you put in bought you shares of Apple stock, and now those shares are worth $1375. When you sell them, you're disposing of an asset for more than you paid, which creates taxable income. If you're really concerned about the tax reporting burden, you might consider just holding onto the stock for now if you don't urgently need the money. That way you avoid the taxable event entirely until you're ready to deal with the tax implications. But if you do need the cash, just know that reporting a $25 capital gain is pretty straightforward and won't add much complexity to your tax return.

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This is really helpful context, thanks! I think I was getting confused because I kept thinking about it as just taking out my own money, but you're right - I'm actually selling an asset that gained value. That makes the tax situation make more sense now. I guess my follow-up question is: if the tax on $25 is really just a few dollars, is it worth the hassle of dealing with Schedule D and all that? Like, would the IRS even care about such a small amount if I just didn't report it? (I know that's probably not the right approach, but I'm curious about the practical reality.) Also, holding onto the stock is definitely an option - I don't desperately need the money right this second. Would that be the smarter move from a tax perspective?

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Noah Ali

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I wouldn't recommend skipping the reporting, even for small amounts. The IRS gets a copy of your 1099-B from Robinhood showing that sale, so if you don't report it on your return, their automated systems will flag the mismatch. This could lead to a CP2000 notice (basically an audit letter) asking why you didn't report the income, which would be much more hassle than just filing the Schedule D correctly in the first place. As for holding the stock - that could definitely be smart from a tax perspective. No sale means no taxable event, so you avoid any reporting requirements for now. Plus, if you end up holding it for more than a year before selling, any gains would qualify for long-term capital gains rates, which are generally lower than short-term rates. Just keep in mind that stock prices can go down too, so there's always investment risk involved. The Schedule D isn't actually that complicated for a single stock transaction - most tax software walks you through it pretty easily. But avoiding the sale altogether is certainly the simplest approach if you can swing it financially.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to check if your state has any additional capital gains tax requirements. While the federal side is straightforward with reporting that $25 gain, some states have their own rules or forms for investment income. Also, if this is your first time dealing with investment taxes, it's worth noting that Robinhood usually makes their tax documents available by mid-February. You don't need to estimate or calculate anything yourself - they'll provide the exact figures you need for your tax return on the 1099-B form. The silver lining is that once you go through this process once, you'll understand how it works for future trades. And honestly, for a $25 gain, we're probably talking about $3-6 in actual taxes depending on your bracket, so the financial impact is pretty minimal even if the reporting requirement feels annoying.

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Lena Kowalski

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This is really great advice about checking state requirements too! I hadn't even thought about that. Since I'm dealing with my first investment tax situation, do you know if there are any other "gotchas" I should be aware of beyond just the federal reporting? Also, waiting for the 1099-B form sounds much easier than trying to calculate everything myself. I was getting stressed about figuring out the exact cost basis and all that, but it sounds like Robinhood will just provide all those numbers for me. That definitely makes this feel more manageable - especially knowing we're only talking about a few dollars in actual taxes.

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Quick question - does anyone know if leasing vs buying changes this calculation? My S corp is in a similar loss situation but I'm looking at leasing options instead.

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Leasing is a completely different tax treatment. With leasing, you simply deduct the lease payments as business expenses - no depreciation involved. This can be advantageous in a loss situation because the deductions are spread out over the lease term rather than front-loaded. For an S Corp already in a loss position, leasing might actually be preferable since it doesn't create additional large deductions in the current year when you can't use them anyway. Plus, lease payments remain fully deductible regardless of the type of vehicle (no luxury auto limits on lease deductions, though there may be "lease inclusion amounts" for higher-value vehicles).

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Pedro Sawyer

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I went through this exact situation with my marketing agency last year! When you're already projecting a loss, bonus depreciation is definitely the way to go over Section 179. The key difference is that Section 179 can't create or increase a business loss, so it won't provide any additional tax benefit in your friend's situation. With bonus depreciation (80% for 2023, 60% for 2024), she can still take the large first-year deduction even though the business is operating at a loss. Those excess losses will carry forward to future years when the business is hopefully profitable. For Honda vehicles, you're right to focus on the 6,000 lb GVWR threshold. The Odyssey typically doesn't qualify in any trim, but the Honda Pilot (especially Touring and Elite trims) usually exceeds 6,000 lbs. The Honda Passport also often qualifies. Just make sure to check the exact GVWR on the manufacturer's label - it's usually on the driver's side door frame. One other consideration: if she expects the business to be profitable in the near future, she might want to consider whether spreading the depreciation over several years with regular MACRS might be more beneficial to match deductions with higher-income years. But if cash flow is tight and she needs the immediate tax benefits, bonus depreciation is still the better choice over Section 179 in a loss situation.

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I went through this last year and found that asking about technology was important. Some CPAs I interviewed were still doing everything on paper or using really outdated systems! Look for someone who uses secure client portals for document sharing (NOT email), electronic signatures, and has some kind of organized system to track deadlines and documents. I ended up choosing a CPA who had me upload all my docs to their secure portal and had a mobile app where I could check status, ask questions, etc. Made everything SO much easier than playing phone tag.

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Zara Mirza

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Did that tech-savvy CPA cost significantly more? I'm finding that the ones with all the fancy systems charge premium rates.

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Yara Sayegh

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Great question! As someone who went through this process recently, I'd add a few more things to consider: Ask about their client-to-staff ratio and workload during tax season. Some CPAs take on too many clients and you end up getting rushed service or dealing with junior staff instead of the actual CPA you hired. Also inquire about their backup systems - what happens if they get sick or have an emergency during tax season? Do they have other qualified professionals who can step in? For your inheritance situation specifically, ask if they have experience with estate tax planning and gift/inheritance tax implications. Not all CPAs are well-versed in this area, and you want someone who can help you navigate both the immediate tax consequences and longer-term planning strategies. Finally, trust your gut during the consultation. A good CPA should make you feel confident and informed, not confused or pressured. They should be willing to explain their reasoning and help you understand your options, not just tell you what to do.

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I just went through this exact same situation a few months ago and completely understand the stress! The good news is that Form 8832 really is the right solution for fixing EIN ownership structure errors. One thing I'd add to all the great advice here - when you're writing your detailed statement to accompany Form 8832, be very specific about the exact question on the EIN application that caused the confusion. In my case, I mentioned that SS-4 Question 7a asks "Name of principal officer, general partner, grantor, owner, or trustor" which led me to list individual names instead of the parent LLC. Also, since your first LLC is taxed as an S corp, make sure your written statement clarifies that you want the second LLC to be treated as a disregarded entity for tax purposes (assuming that's your intent). This will help the IRS processor understand exactly what classification you're electing. The timeline others mentioned (6-8 weeks) has been pretty accurate in my experience. I submitted in March and got my acceptance letter in early May. The key is getting everything right the first time - that detailed written statement really is crucial for avoiding rejections. Good luck with the correction! It's definitely fixable and much more common than you might think.

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Leo Simmons

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@Dmitry Kuznetsov - Thank you so much for that specific detail about SS-4 Question 7a! That s'exactly the question that tripped me up too. I remember staring at that form thinking well, "technically I am an owner... without" realizing it was asking about the immediate owner of the LLC I was applying for, not the ultimate beneficial owners. Your point about being explicit that I want the second LLC treated as a disregarded entity is really helpful too. I was wondering how specific I needed to be about the tax treatment in my statement, but it makes sense that clarity upfront will help the processor understand exactly what I m'trying to accomplish. It s'reassuring to hear your timeline was consistent with what others have shared. March to early May gives me hope that if I get this submitted this week, I should have resolution well before year-end. Really appreciate you sharing the specific details about the SS-4 question - that kind of precision in the written statement seems like it could make all the difference in avoiding a rejection. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience!

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Grace Durand

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! I made the exact same mistake when filing for my LLC's EIN - indicated individual ownership instead of having it owned by my existing business entity. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful, especially the specific advice about Form 8832 and the importance of that detailed written statement. One thing I'm curious about that I haven't seen mentioned - has anyone dealt with this situation where the parent entity (LLC #1) has multiple members? In my case, the first LLC has three partners, and we want the second LLC to be owned by that first LLC. I'm wondering if this adds any complexity to the Form 8832 process or if it's still straightforward since we're just changing from individual ownership to single-member LLC ownership (with the parent LLC as the single member). Also, I appreciate everyone sharing the realistic timelines. 6-8 weeks seems to be the consensus, which helps me plan accordingly. The stress of thinking I'd completely messed up the business structure is real, so it's reassuring to see this is both fixable and more common than I initially thought!

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Roger Romero

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@Grace Durand - Great question about the multi-member parent LLC! I actually dealt with a very similar structure when I corrected my EIN issue. The good news is that having multiple members in your parent LLC LLC (#1 doesn) t'complicate the Form 8832 process at all. From the IRS s'perspective, you re'still just changing the second LLC from multi-member owned (by individuals to) single-member owned (by one entity - your first LLC .)The fact that the parent LLC itself has multiple members is irrelevant to the correction you re'making for LLC #2. On Form 8832, you ll'still check the box for a "domestic eligible entity with a single owner electing to be disregarded as a separate entity and" list LLC #1 as the single owner. In your written statement, you can mention that LLC #1 is a multi-member LLC owned by three partners, but the key point is that LLC #2 will be wholly owned by LLC #1 as a single entity. The complexity you might want to consider is in your operating agreements - make sure the operating agreement for LLC #2 clearly states that LLC #1 is the sole member, and that the operating agreement for LLC #1 gives the members authority to act on behalf of the LLC in owning other entities. But that s'more of a legal/business structure consideration than a tax filing one. Hope this helps ease your concerns! The correction process should be just as straightforward as everyone else has described.

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