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I just called my ProSeries rep about this exact issue. They said it's a known limitation in their software validation rules and they're working on fixing it for next year. The workaround they suggested was to paper file this year, but they gave me a specific diagnostic code to note in my files so I can follow up with them once they have the fix. Might be worth calling your software support to see if they have any solutions brewing.

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Sophia Long

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Did they give any indication if this is something that affects all tax software or just ProSeries specifically? I've been using Drake and wondering if I should switch for my farm clients.

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Zara Mirza

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From what I've experienced, this seems to be a widespread issue across multiple software platforms, not just ProSeries. I use TaxSlayer Pro for most of my farm clients and ran into the same Farm Optional Method/EITC e-filing rejection this year. A colleague who uses UltraTax CS mentioned having similar problems too. The issue appears to be in how the software validates the relationship between negative farm income on Schedule F and the positive earned income created by the Farm Optional Method for EITC purposes. Most tax software programs have validation rules that flag this as inconsistent, even though it's perfectly legitimate according to IRS guidelines. Drake might handle it differently since they tend to have more flexible validation rules, but I'd recommend testing it with a dummy return first if you're considering switching. You could also try reaching out to Drake support to ask specifically about their Farm Optional Method validation before making any software changes.

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I've been dealing with this exact same issue across multiple client returns this year. What I've found helpful is creating a detailed client letter explaining the delay and the legitimacy of the Farm Optional Method for EITC purposes. I include references to the specific IRS publications mentioned earlier (225 and 596) and explain that this is a software limitation, not a tax law issue. For managing client expectations, I've started quoting 8-10 weeks for paper filing processing times instead of the usual 6-8 weeks, since the IRS seems to be running behind on manual processing. I also make sure to explain that their refund amount is correct and won't be reduced - it's just the delivery method causing the delay. One thing that's helped reduce my stress about these returns is keeping detailed documentation of the Farm Optional Method calculation and the EITC eligibility reasoning in the client file. If the IRS does question it later, having that paper trail makes any correspondence much easier to handle.

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That's a really smart approach with the client letter! I'm definitely going to steal that idea. I've been getting so many frustrated calls from clients asking why their returns are taking so long, and having a professional explanation document would help a lot. Do you happen to have a template you'd be willing to share? I'm particularly interested in how you word the technical explanation without making it sound scary or like there's actually a problem with their return. My farm clients tend to get nervous when they hear "paper filing" because they think it means the IRS is going to scrutinize everything more carefully. Also, the 8-10 week timeline sounds about right based on what I've been seeing. I had one Farm Optional Method return that I paper filed in early February and it just got processed last week. The client was patient thankfully, but it's definitely longer than the normal paper processing times.

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Former DOR employee here. One thing to clarify - "net income" definitions vary slightly between states. Most want Line 21 from 1120S, but some states (like CA and NY) have their own calculation that starts with Line 21 and adds back certain items. Call your specific DOR office and ask exactly which line they use for "net income" on THEIR form. Will save you tons of headache.

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This is super helpful! Do you know what Illinois specifically requires? Their form just says "net income" without specifying.

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Illinois generally uses Line 21 as the starting point, but they typically require you to add back any Illinois-specific adjustments from Schedule M (if you had to file one). If you didn't have any Illinois adjustments, then Line 21 should be sufficient. When in doubt though, I always recommend calling the Illinois DOR payment plan department directly at their specific number (not the general helpline) which should be listed on the payment plan form. Ask for the "technical definition of net income for payment plan qualification purposes" - using that specific phrasing will usually get you transferred to someone who knows exactly what line they're looking for.

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Isaac Wright

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Just went through this exact situation last month! The confusion is totally understandable because different agencies sometimes use "net income" differently. For most state DOR payment plans, you'll want Line 21 (ordinary business income/loss) from your Form 1120S - this shows your actual business profit after all deductible expenses. However, I'd strongly recommend calling your specific state's DOR payment plan department to confirm. Some states have their own modifications to this number. When I called, they told me exactly which line to use and even emailed me a worksheet showing the calculation. It's worth the phone call to avoid having your payment plan delayed or rejected for using the wrong figure. Also, make sure you have your most recent filed return - sounds like that would be your 2023 Form 1120S in your case. Good luck getting it sorted out!

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StarSailor

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice that would have saved me hours of stress! I wish I had thought to call and ask for the specific worksheet you mentioned. One question though - when you called, did you get through to someone knowledgeable right away, or did you have to navigate through multiple transfers? I'm dreading having to spend half my day on hold just to get this one question answered, but it sounds like it's definitely worth doing to get it right the first time.

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Your documentation approach is really thorough - taking photos and using ItsDeductible puts you in a great position regardless of which route you choose. I've been dealing with similar donation decisions and wanted to share a few practical considerations. The audit risk concern is understandable, but in my experience, the IRS is more focused on unreasonable valuations than properly documented donations over $500. Your detailed spreadsheet with conservative valuations actually demonstrates good faith compliance. One factor to consider is your time value. If splitting the donations saves you several hours of Form 8283 paperwork and you're comfortable with the slightly delayed deduction timing, that might be worth it. On the other hand, if you expect to have large donations regularly, getting comfortable with the Form 8283 process now could save hassle in future years. Also worth noting - if you do go over $500, you can group similar items on the form rather than listing each piece individually. So "men's business shirts (12 items)" with a total value is acceptable, which makes the paperwork much more manageable than it initially appears. Given that you're already itemizing and in a high bracket, you'll get the same tax benefit either way. I'd lean toward whatever approach gives you more confidence and peace of mind in your record-keeping.

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James Maki

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This is really helpful perspective, thanks! The point about grouping similar items on Form 8283 is particularly reassuring - I was imagining having to list every single shirt individually which seemed overwhelming. Your comment about time value really resonates with me. I think I've been so focused on avoiding the "complexity" of Form 8283 that I didn't consider how splitting donations might actually create more work overall - multiple trips to Goodwill, managing two separate spreadsheets, etc. Since I'm already doing the detailed documentation anyway, maybe it makes more sense to just do one larger donation and get comfortable with the form. Especially since you mentioned this could be useful for future years - I suspect this won't be my last major closet cleanout! One follow-up question: when you group items like "men's business shirts (12 items)" - do you still need to track the individual valuations internally, or can you just assign a reasonable per-item average and multiply by quantity?

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Chloe Taylor

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Great question about documentation! For grouped items on Form 8283, you can absolutely use a reasonable per-item average multiplied by quantity - you don't need to track every single item's individual valuation. However, I'd recommend keeping your detailed spreadsheet with individual valuations as backup documentation, even if you don't submit it with your return. The IRS expects "reasonable" valuations, and having the individual breakdown shows you put thought into each item rather than just assigning arbitrary round numbers. Plus, if you're already doing the detailed work for your own peace of mind, it doesn't hurt to keep those records. One practical tip: when I group items, I usually separate by type AND condition. So instead of just "men's shirts (12 items) - $120", I might do "men's dress shirts, excellent condition (5 items) - $75" and "men's casual shirts, good condition (7 items) - $45". This shows more thoughtful valuation while still keeping the form manageable. Your point about future cleanouts is spot-on. Once you get comfortable with Form 8283, it becomes much less intimidating for future donations. And honestly, the peace of mind from knowing you're fully compliant often outweighs the small amount of extra paperwork, especially when you're already being so thorough with documentation.

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Sofia Perez

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This breakdown by condition is brilliant! I hadn't thought about separating items that way on the form itself, but it makes total sense - it shows you're being thoughtful about valuation differences rather than just lumping everything together. I'm definitely leaning toward doing one larger donation now after reading all these responses. The idea of getting comfortable with Form 8283 for future use is really appealing, especially since I have aging parents and will likely be helping them with estate cleanouts in the coming years too. One last question - do you typically donate everything at once, or do you still break it into a few trips just for logistical reasons? I'm imagining showing up to Goodwill with 10+ bags of stuff and wondering if that's overwhelming for them or if they're used to large donations like that.

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Andre Dubois

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This is actually more common than people think. Make sure your parents get a corrected 1098-T from your school showing the ACTUAL amounts paid for qualified expenses. The form should show no scholarships in Box 5. This will support their tax credit claims if they're audited.

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CyberSamurai

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Do schools issue corrected 1098-Ts in cases like this? I thought they only report what they have on record, and if no scholarship was ever officially recorded, wouldn't the original 1098-T already show zero in Box 5?

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Andre Dubois

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You're right - if no scholarship was ever officially recorded by the school, the 1098-T would already show zero in Box 5. What I meant was that OP should verify what's actually on the 1098-T that was issued. Sometimes students misunderstand their financial aid packages, and what they think is a "scholarship" might be recorded differently by the school (like a tuition waiver or discount). The key is making sure the parents have the official 1098-T from the school that accurately reflects what was paid, regardless of what OP told them.

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Ava Rodriguez

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From a practical standpoint, you need to gather all documentation first before having any conversations. Get copies of your actual 1098-T forms from the school, bank records showing the transfers from your parents, and any tuition payment receipts. This will help you understand exactly what's been reported to the IRS versus what your parents believe. The good news is that this situation, while stressful, is fixable without major penalties if handled correctly. Since your parents are actually paying more in qualified education expenses than they're currently claiming credits for, they're not in an overclaim situation that would trigger penalties. They may actually be entitled to larger education credits than they've been taking. The key is transparency and proper documentation going forward. When you do come clean (which you absolutely should), have all the paperwork ready to show exactly what was paid and when. This will make it much easier for them to file any necessary amended returns and claim the correct credits they're entitled to. The IRS generally views honest corrections favorably, especially when they result in proper reporting rather than tax avoidance.

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who dealt with this exact scenario two years ago. The advice here is spot-on - you definitely need to report the full 1099-K amount and then deduct your losses separately if you itemize. One thing I'd add is to check if your gambling sites provide annual win/loss statements. Most legitimate online poker and sports betting sites will generate these for you if you request them, and they're incredibly helpful for documenting your actual losses. I had to contact customer service for a couple of sites, but they were able to provide detailed breakdowns that made filing much easier. Also, if you're thinking about using any of the services mentioned here, just make sure you understand the costs upfront. Sometimes the stress of dealing with tax issues makes spending money on help seem worth it, but you want to make sure it actually saves you money in the long run. Good luck with your filing!

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This is really helpful advice about requesting win/loss statements from the gambling sites! I didn't even think about that option. Quick question though - if some of my gambling was on sites that might not be fully legitimate or have shut down since then, what should I do for documentation? I have my Venmo records showing the deposits and withdrawals, but I'm worried that might not be enough if I get audited. Should I try to recreate a gambling log from memory for those transactions?

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For sites that have shut down or aren't legitimate, your Venmo records are actually pretty solid documentation since they show the money flow. I'd recommend creating a reconstructed gambling log based on your Venmo transactions - match up the dates, amounts, and any descriptions you have. Even if you can't remember every specific bet, having a timeline that corresponds to your payment records is better than nothing. The key is being able to demonstrate a pattern of gambling activity that matches your reported losses. Your Venmo statements showing deposits to these sites and any withdrawals back to your account help establish that timeline. If you have any screenshots, emails, or even browser history from those sites, gather that too. The IRS understands that some gambling sites operate in gray areas or shut down, so they're usually more focused on whether your reported losses are reasonable given the documented transactions rather than having perfect records from every site.

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Noah Irving

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I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a twist - I got a 1099-K from Venmo for what appears to be a mix of gambling winnings AND some legitimate freelance work I did. The gambling portion represents maybe 60% of the total amount on the form. Has anyone dealt with a mixed-use 1099-K like this? I'm wondering if I need to somehow split the reporting between Schedule C (for the freelance income) and Schedule 1 (for the gambling winnings), or if there's a different approach I should take. The Venmo transaction descriptions don't always make it super clear which payments were for what, so I'm trying to figure out the best way to document this split if the IRS ever asks. Also, for the gambling portion, I'm definitely net negative like the original poster, but the freelance work was legitimate income. This seems to complicate things even more in terms of how to handle the deductions and whether itemizing makes sense.

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Ava Garcia

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You're absolutely right that this complicates things! For a mixed-use 1099-K, you'll need to split the reporting based on the nature of each income type. Report the freelance portion on Schedule C as business income (and you can deduct related business expenses there), and report the gambling winnings portion on Schedule 1 as "Other Income." The key is creating a clear breakdown of which transactions were for freelance work versus gambling. Go through your Venmo history and categorize each payment - even if the descriptions aren't perfect, use context clues like amounts, dates, and any messages or emails you might have. Document your methodology in case you need to explain it later. For the itemizing question - since you have legitimate business income from freelancing, you might have business deductions on Schedule C that could affect your overall tax picture. The gambling losses would still only be deductible if you itemize, but your total tax situation is more complex now. You might want to run the numbers both ways (itemizing vs standard deduction) to see which works better with your mixed income situation.

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