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I don't understand why TreasuryDirect makes this so confusing! I've had an I-bond sitting in my gift box for almost 2 years because I was afraid of messing up the taxes. Has anyone actually gone through an audit where this came up? I'm worried about doing it wrong and getting in trouble.
I've worked as a tax preparer for 10 years and have never seen an audit specifically about I-bond gift box transfers. The IRS generally has bigger fish to fry. Just document when you purchased it and when you transfer it, and you'll be fine. Most people use the deferred interest method anyway, so it doesn't become a tax issue until someone actually cashes the bond.
I went through this exact same situation with my son's I-Bond last year. The key thing to remember is that as long as the bond is sitting in your TreasuryDirect gift box, you're still the legal owner for tax purposes. The "gift" designation is just for tracking - it doesn't actually become a completed gift until you deliver it to her account. Since you mentioned you're planning to complete the transfer soon, here's what I'd recommend: if you've been using the deferral method (not reporting interest annually), just transfer it now and all the accumulated interest responsibility will transfer to your daughter when she eventually redeems it. Make sure to keep a record of the transfer date for your records. The good news is that since I-Bond interest is exempt from state taxes in California anyway, you don't have to worry about any state-specific complications. Just focus on the federal treatment, and you'll be fine.
This is really helpful, thank you! I've been overthinking this whole situation. Just to confirm - when I transfer the bond from my gift box to my daughter's account, does TreasuryDirect automatically generate any kind of documentation showing the transfer date? I want to make sure I have proper records in case I need them later. Also, since she's only 12, I assume I'll still be managing her TreasuryDirect account until she's older - does that affect the tax treatment at all, or is she still considered the owner once the transfer is complete?
One thing to remember about AMT is that you might get some of it back as a credit in future years! Form 8801 lets you claim a credit for prior year minimum tax. So if you pay AMT in one year, you can potentially use that as a credit against regular income tax in future years when your regular tax exceeds your AMT. This is especially relevant for ISO exercises - you might pay AMT now, but if you sell the shares later, you can often recover some of that AMT through the credit system. Keep your tax records from previous years!
Is there a time limit on using those AMT credits? Like if I paid AMT three years ago from ISO exercises but haven't been able to use the credits yet, do they expire?
Good news - AMT credits don't expire! You can carry them forward indefinitely until you're able to use them. The credit is available whenever your regular tax liability exceeds your AMT liability in future years. Just make sure to keep filing Form 8801 each year to track your available credit balance, even if you can't use any of it that year. The IRS needs to see the continuity in your filings to validate the credit when you eventually claim it. @Dylan Wright - So those credits from three years ago are still good! You ll'just need to make sure you have all the supporting documentation from those prior years when you eventually use them.
This is exactly the kind of detailed AMT breakdown I've been looking for! I'm in a similar situation with upcoming ISO exercises and have been struggling to understand the calculation steps. One question about your step 10 - when you say "take the SMALLER of this and the step 9 result," I think there might be a mix-up there. From what I understand, you actually take the LARGER of the two amounts as your tentative minimum tax. The whole point of AMT is that you pay whichever is higher - your regular tax or your AMT calculation. Also, for anyone dealing with AMT planning, don't forget about the timing of when you actually exercise versus when you sell. The AMT hit comes in the year you exercise (based on the spread), but if you do a disqualifying disposition in the same year, you can sometimes eliminate the AMT impact entirely since the ordinary income from the disqualifying disposition removes the ISO adjustment. Has anyone here actually tried the early exercise strategy with 83(b) elections? I'm curious about the practical aspects since my company just started allowing it.
You're absolutely right about step 10 - I think I got confused in my explanation there! The AMT is designed so you pay the LARGER amount between regular tax and tentative minimum tax, not the smaller. Thanks for catching that error. Your point about disqualifying dispositions in the same year is really helpful too. I hadn't fully considered that timing strategy where you could potentially exercise and sell in the same year to avoid the AMT adjustment entirely. That seems like it could be useful for managing cash flow while avoiding the AMT hit. I'm also curious about others' experiences with early exercise and 83(b) elections. My company doesn't allow it yet, but I'm wondering if it's worth pushing for that option given the potential AMT benefits when exercising at or near the strike price.
Has anyone actually tried calling the Taxpayer Advocate Service? I'm in a similar situation with denied business expenses from a side gig, and I keep hearing they're supposed to help but I can't get through to them either.
I used the Taxpayer Advocate Service last year for an audit issue. You need to fill out Form 911 (Request for Taxpayer Advocate Service Assistance) to get their help. In my experience, they're severely backlogged right now, so don't expect immediate help. They were most helpful after I'd already tried normal channels and documented those attempts. They won't take your case unless you can show you've tried to resolve it through normal IRS channels first and that you're facing significant hardship (financial difficulties, immediate threat of adverse action, etc.).
I went through something very similar last year with business equipment deductions that got denied. The key thing is making sure you've actually received that Notice of Deficiency before you can petition Tax Court - it sounds like you might still be in the appeals process rather than at the Tax Court stage. One thing that helped me was requesting a Collections Due Process (CDP) hearing when I got my collection notice. This gave me another bite at the apple to challenge the underlying tax liability, and importantly, if they deny your CDP hearing request, THAT decision can be appealed to Tax Court under a different process. Also, keep detailed records of every interaction you've had with the IRS - dates, times, who you spoke with, what was discussed. This documentation becomes crucial if you do end up in Tax Court or need to show the Taxpayer Advocate Service that you've exhausted normal channels. Don't give up - $6,700 is definitely worth fighting for, especially if you have legitimate documentation for those business expenses.
One additional point worth mentioning: if you're planning to use a tax professional this year, they can request your transcripts on your behalf using Form 8821 or 2848. Back in 2021, I had a similar issue with transcript access and my accountant was able to get everything we needed without me having to fix my online access first. This might be particularly relevant for you as a new homeowner with potentially more complex deductions to consider.
I've been through this same frustrating situation with ID.me and lost phone access. Here's what I learned from my experience: Start with ID.me's account recovery process first since it's usually the fastest route. Go directly to their website (not through the IRS portal) and look for "Can't access your account." You'll need to upload a clear photo of your driver's license and do a video selfie verification. The whole process took me about 3 days during non-peak season, but expect longer waits now. If that doesn't work or takes too long, the Taxpayer Assistance Center appointment is your backup plan - just know you might be waiting 2-3 weeks for an appointment this time of year. Since you mentioned having a mortgage now, getting those transcripts is definitely worth the effort to verify your interest deduction amounts are correct!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious - when you did the video selfie verification, did you have any issues with lighting or camera quality? I'm worried my phone camera might not be good enough for their verification system. Also, did they ask for any additional documents beyond just the driver's license photo, or was that sufficient for the recovery process?
@fd111dffc265 Good question about the camera quality! I had the same concern but it worked fine with just my regular smartphone camera. The key things for the video selfie: make sure you're in a well-lit room (I sat by a window during the day), hold the phone steady, and follow their prompts exactly. They'll ask you to turn your head left and right and blink. For documents, just the driver's license photo was enough for my recovery - they didn't ask for anything else. Make sure the license photo is super clear with all four corners visible and no glare. I actually took like 5 different photos before uploading the clearest one!
Crystal Singletary
This is the transcripts
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Tom Maxon
Code 150 - Tax Return Filed (Date: 08-12-2024; Amount: $1,127.00): This entry indicates that you filed and processed your tax return with a tax amount due of $1,127.00. Code 810 - Refund Freeze (Date: 02-08-2024; Amount: $0.00): This indicates that a freeze has been placed on any refund that may be due to you. This freeze could be due to various reasons such as review for accuracy, verification of information, or other compliance checks. The amount next to this code is typically $0.00 as it represents a status rather than a financial transaction. Code 766 - Credit to Your Account (Date: 04-15-2024; Amount: -$46,880.00): This is a substantial credit applied to your account. This could include withholding from wages, estimated tax payments, or other credits. The negative value indicates it's a credit to you. Code 768 - Earned Income Credit (Date: 04-15-2024; Amount: -$568.00): This shows the amount of Earned Income Credit (EIC) that was applied to your account. This credit is given to you if you are eligible and have low to moderate income from work. It is a refundable credit, meaning it can reduce the tax you owe and potentially increase your refund. Analysis and Next Steps The combination of credits listed under codes 766 and 768 significantly exceeds the tax assessed under code 150. However, the presence of the refund freeze (code 810) means that despite these credits, the IRS is not currently processing a refund for you. Since the freeze was initiated before the credits were applied, there might have been anticipation of issues with your tax return or the credits themselves that required additional scrutiny. Given the refund freeze and the lack of a code 846 (which would indicate a refund being issued), you should anticipate that the IRS may need more information or time to review the accuracy of your return or the eligibility for credits claimed. If you have not received any communication from the IRS explaining the refund freeze, it would be advisable for you to initiate contact to clarify the reasons for the hold and to understand if any additional steps are required from your side to resolve the issue. I made a video on how to bypass the usual IRS phone menu and long wait times here: https://youtu.be/UiAegRQ2Is8
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Harmony Love
β’@Crystal Singletary I know the waiting is tough with that amount! Just wanted to add that with verification cases like yours, the IRS often processes them in batches, so even though they said 9 weeks, you might see movement sooner. I d'also suggest setting up email alerts through the IRS website if you haven t'already - sometimes they ll'send updates before the transcript reflects changes. Keep your spirits up, that s'life-changing money waiting for you!
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Keisha Williams
β’@Crystal Singletary That s'an incredible refund amount! I went through verification last year for a much smaller amount and the stress was real. The fact that you already completed the verification call is huge - that s'honestly the hardest part of the whole process. With $47k+ they re'definitely going to take their time, but the 9-week timeline they gave you is actually pretty reliable from what I ve'seen others post here. I d'definitely recommend checking your transcript every Friday like others mentioned. Once that 810 disappears you ll'probably see your 846 code within days. The waiting is absolutely brutal but you re'so close to the finish line!
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