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Liv Park

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Quick question - does anyone know if TurboTax handles this community property LLC situation correctly? I tried entering our business info and it keeps pushing me toward filing two separate Schedule Cs, but after reading this thread, I'm not sure that's right for our Nevada LLC.

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TurboTax is terrible with complex LLC situations in my experience. We have a similar situation in Arizona and TurboTax kept getting confused with the community property aspects. We switched to a CPA last year who specialized in small business taxation and discovered we'd been filing incorrectly for years.

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Liv Park

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Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to know. I think I'll consult with a tax professional before submitting our return this year. Better to pay a bit more for proper advice than risk doing it wrong and facing problems later.

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I've been dealing with this exact same issue for our LLC in California! After reading through all these responses, I think the key takeaway is that the "correct" approach might depend on your specific operating agreement and how you've structured your LLC. What I found helpful was getting clarity on whether both spouses are considered "active participants" in the business. If you're both materially participating, then the self-employment tax treatment becomes more important for Social Security credit purposes. But if one spouse is more of a passive investor, then a single Schedule C under the active spouse's name might make more sense. For your $87,000 income situation, I'd strongly recommend getting a consultation with a tax professional who specializes in small business and community property issues. The cost of professional advice is probably worth it to avoid potential issues down the road, especially since community property state rules can be tricky to navigate correctly. One thing I learned is that the IRS has specific guidance (Rev. Proc. 2002-69) about community property and self-employment tax that might be relevant to your situation. It's worth reviewing if you haven't already!

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NebulaNomad

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Thank you for mentioning Rev. Proc. 2002-69! I hadn't come across that specific guidance before. As someone new to this community and dealing with a similar LLC situation in Washington state, I really appreciate all the detailed responses in this thread. One follow-up question - when you mention "material participation" versus "passive investor," is there a specific test or threshold the IRS uses to make this determination? My spouse and I both work in our business, but I handle most of the day-to-day operations while my spouse focuses more on the financial/administrative side. I'm wondering if this difference in roles affects how we should approach the Schedule C filing. Also, has anyone found good resources for understanding how Washington state's community property laws specifically interact with federal tax requirements? I want to make sure I'm not missing any state-specific nuances that might affect our filing approach.

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NebulaNomad

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Has anyone tried using the Annualized Income Worksheet in TurboTax or another tax software for Form 2210AI? I've found they often don't handle irregular income well.

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Luca Ferrari

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Most tax software struggles with Form 2210AI because they're designed for the average user. I've had better luck with professional-grade software like Lacerte or UltraTax, but even those sometimes need manual adjustments for very irregular income patterns. The default is often to allocate evenly, which isn't ideal for everyone.

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Javier Cruz

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This is exactly the kind of situation where having accurate quarterly income allocation really matters! Your CPA's approach of isolating the Roth conversion to Q4 was correct, but smoothing your other irregular income across quarters might not be optimal. Since you mention having documentation of your actual income timing, I'd definitely recommend discussing with your CPA about using those real figures. The annualized income method exists specifically to help taxpayers with uneven income patterns avoid penalties that would occur under the regular installment method. One thing to consider: if your Q2 was significantly higher than other quarters, using actual amounts might increase your required estimated payment for that period. But it could also reduce requirements for the lower-income quarters. The net effect on penalties really depends on your specific pattern and when you made estimated payments. If your CPA seems hesitant to redo the calculations, you might want to run the numbers both ways to see the difference. Having that analysis in hand can help you decide if it's worth pursuing the revision.

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Luca Bianchi

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This is really helpful advice, thank you! I'm curious about the timing aspect - if I made estimated payments based on the pro-rata method my CPA used, but then we revise the 2210AI to show actual quarterly income, could that create issues with the IRS? Like, would they question why my estimated payments didn't match the "correct" quarterly requirements we're now showing on the amended form? I'm wondering if there's a way to explain that the original estimated payments were made in good faith based on the information and method available at the time, even if we later determine a more accurate allocation method.

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As someone who went through this exact situation with an EU scholarship in the Netherlands, I can confirm you absolutely need to report this. The €15,000 living stipend is taxable income since it's not for qualified educational expenses. However, there's good news! Since you're physically present in Spain for the full academic year, you should qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion under the Physical Presence Test. While there's some debate about whether scholarships count as "earned income," many tax professionals successfully apply FEIE to educational stipends, especially when they're tied to research or academic work. For your missed prior year, definitely file an amended return (1040X) soon. The IRS is much more forgiving when you voluntarily correct mistakes rather than waiting for them to find it. You'll likely just owe the tax plus minimal interest - no penalties for good faith errors. Also check the US-Spain tax treaty Article 22 - it has specific student provisions that might provide additional relief. Keep all your Spanish tax documents too, as the Foreign Tax Credit could be another option if FEIE doesn't work out. Don't stress too much - this is a common situation and very fixable!

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I went through something very similar with a scholarship in Italy last year. The key thing that helped me was understanding that even though the scholarship money goes to your foreign bank account, as a US citizen you're still required to report it on your US tax return. What really saved me was keeping detailed records of any taxes I paid to Spain on that stipend. If Spain is taxing you on those living expenses (which they likely are), you can use the Foreign Tax Credit to offset your US tax liability on the same income. This prevents you from being double-taxed on the same money. For the previous year you missed, I'd strongly recommend filing that amended return sooner rather than later. I made the same mistake and waited too long - the IRS eventually caught it through automatic matching systems (they have agreements with many countries now for information sharing). When you file the amended return voluntarily, you typically just pay the tax owed plus minimal interest, but if they find it first, penalties can get expensive. One more tip - make sure you keep copies of your enrollment verification and any documentation showing the scholarship is specifically for living expenses vs tuition. This distinction matters a lot for tax purposes and you'll want that paperwork if the IRS ever has questions.

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This is really helpful context about the information sharing agreements! I had no idea the IRS could automatically catch foreign scholarship income through these systems. That definitely makes me want to get my amended return filed ASAP rather than waiting. Quick question - when you mention keeping documentation showing the scholarship is for living expenses vs tuition, did you need to translate any of your Italian documents into English for the IRS? My EU scholarship paperwork is all in Spanish and I'm wondering if I need certified translations or if copies are sufficient. Also, do you remember roughly how long it took for your amended return to be processed? I'm trying to get this sorted before my current tax year filing deadline.

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Oscar Murphy

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Here's what I've seen from tracking state returns over the last few years: • Fast states (1-2 business days): GA, IL, MA, NY • Medium states (2-4 business days): CA, OH, PA, TX, WA • Slower states (4-7 business days): FL, MI, NJ, OR Wow, I never realized how complicated state tax systems are until I started helping my parents with their returns! Each state seems to operate in its own universe with completely different timelines.

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Zainab Ahmed

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I'm in a similar boat waiting for my state refund! From what I've experienced, it really does vary by state like others have mentioned. Mine usually takes about 3-4 business days after approval. One thing that helped me last year was setting up account alerts with my bank so I'd get notified immediately when the deposit hit, rather than obsessively checking my balance every few hours. That way I could plan my bill payments without constantly worrying about the timing. Hope your federal return gets processed soon too - 3 weeks is rough!

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I feel your pain on this one! I actually did something similar last year - paid my state taxes for the wrong year and was absolutely mortified. The good news is that tax agencies deal with these kinds of mix-ups all the time, so you're definitely not alone. Here's what I'd suggest based on my experience: Call the IRS first thing in the morning (like 7 AM sharp) to avoid the brutal hold times. Have your payment confirmation number, exact amount, date of payment, and SSN ready before you dial. The agents I've dealt with have always been surprisingly patient about these mistakes. Also, if you haven't filed your 2024 return yet, this might actually work out perfectly since they can apply the payment directly when you do file. Sometimes these "mistakes" end up being happy accidents! Don't beat yourself up about it - we've all been there with the tax stress. You'll get this sorted out! šŸ’Ŗ

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Thank you so much for the encouragement and practical advice! It really helps to know I'm not the first person to make this kind of mistake. You're absolutely right about calling at 7 AM sharp - I've seen that tip mentioned several times now so I'm definitely going to set my alarm early tomorrow. I actually haven't filed my 2024 return yet, so you might be right that this could work out as a happy accident! I'm trying to shift my mindset from "disaster" to "minor hiccup that will get resolved." Your reassurance means a lot - sometimes you just need to hear from people who've been through the same thing! šŸ™

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GalaxyGlider

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Hey there! I totally understand the panic you're feeling right now - I made this exact same mistake about 18 months ago and felt like I'd completely ruined everything. But honestly, it turned out to be way less of a big deal than I thought it would be. Here's what worked for me: I called the IRS customer service line (1-800-829-1040) on a Wednesday morning right at 7 AM when they opened. I only waited about 15 minutes, which was amazing compared to what I was expecting! The agent was super professional and said this happens "more than you'd think" - apparently it's especially common during tax season when everyone's rushing to get their payments in. Make sure you have these ready before you call: - Your payment confirmation number - Exact payment amount - Date you made the payment - Your Social Security Number - Maybe even pull up your bank statement showing the transaction The agent was able to transfer my payment to the correct tax year during that same phone call. She explained that while the transfer happens immediately on their end, it can take 3-5 business days to show up properly in your online account. I got a confirmation letter in the mail about a week later. Don't stress too much about this - you're going to get it sorted out! The IRS deals with payment mix-ups like this constantly, and they have a pretty streamlined process for fixing it. You've got this! šŸ‘

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