Does tax refund calculation use net income or gross income?

When calculating your taxes and potential refund, you always start with your gross income - that's the full amount before any deductions or withholdings. The tax system is designed to first look at your total earnings (gross income), then apply deductions and credits to determine your taxable income. For your situation, you'd start with your gross income of $78k, then subtract eligible deductions to arrive at your taxable income. The taxes you've already paid through withholding ($7,200) are compared against what you actually owe based on your taxable income. If you've paid more than you actually owe, you'll receive a refund of the difference. Think of it this way: net income is what's left after taxes have been taken out, but the IRS needs to calculate those taxes in the first place - which they do starting from your gross.

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Tax preparer here. Just to clarify some confusion I'm seeing in this thread: your Form W-2 Box 1 already has certain pre-tax deductions removed (like 401k contributions, health insurance premiums if they're pre-tax, FSA contributions, etc.). That's why Box 1 is often lower than your actual gross earnings. When you prepare your tax return, you start with the Box 1 amount from your W-2 (along with any other income sources) and then apply additional deductions you're eligible for (standard deduction or itemized deductions). So technically, you're not using your true gross income or your net income - you're using what could be called your "taxable gross income" as your starting point.

For everyone talking about gross vs net income, remember that AGI (adjusted gross income) is what really matters for most tax calculations. It's basically your gross income minus specific adjustments (like student loan interest, IRA contributions, etc). The way I understand it: 1) Gross income = all your income before ANY deductions 2) AGI = gross income minus certain adjustments 3) Taxable income = AGI minus standard or itemized deductions 4) Net income = what's left after ALL taxes and deductions (not really a tax form concept) U start with gross, get to AGI, then to taxable income, THEN figure out taxes owed vs paid to determine refund.

This is such a helpful thread! I was making the exact same mistake - I kept trying to use my take-home pay as the starting point for tax calculations because that's what I actually "received." But reading through everyone's explanations, it's clear that the IRS works backwards from gross income. What really clicked for me was understanding that my W-2 Box 1 is already a partially processed number - it's my gross income with certain pre-tax deductions already removed. So when I start my tax return with that Box 1 amount, I'm not starting with true gross income, but I'm also not starting with net income. It's this middle ground that represents my taxable wages before standard/itemized deductions. I think the confusion comes from thinking about our paychecks, where we see gross pay, then a bunch of deductions, then net pay. But tax returns don't follow that exact same flow since some of those paycheck deductions are already baked into the W-2 numbers we use.