Understanding Gross vs. Net Income When Calculating Tax Refund

You always use your gross income when filing taxes, not your net. Your W-2 will show your gross wages in Box 1, and that's what goes on your tax return as your starting point. The taxes you've already paid throughout the year ($9,200) will be counted as tax payments on your return. These aren't deductions - they're payments toward your tax liability. Your deductions ($6,500) will reduce your taxable income. So if your gross income is $97k, and you have $6,500 in deductions, your taxable income would be around $90,500 (there are other factors like the standard deduction that would further reduce this). Don't use your net pay for anything on your tax return - that's just what's left after withholding, and those withholdings are already accounted for elsewhere on your tax return.

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A simple way to think about it: Gross income is what you earn BEFORE any taxes or deductions are taken out. Net income is what actually hits your bank account AFTER all withholdings. For taxes, the government wants to know your gross income first, then they apply deductions to calculate your taxable income. Your tax liability is based on that taxable income figure. Think of it this way: Gross income - Deductions = Taxable income Taxable income × Tax rate = Tax liability Tax liability - Taxes already paid = Refund (or amount you owe

Random tip: When you're entering information from your W-2, use the EXACT numbers from the boxes. Box 1 shows your taxable wages, Box 2 shows federal income tax withheld. Don't try to calculate anything yourself or use numbers from your paystubs - the W-2 is what matters for tax filing. Also dont forget that stuff like student loan interest (up to $2,500) and IRA contributions can further reduce your taxable income even if you take the standard deduction!

Just to add another perspective - I made this exact mistake my first year filing taxes! I was using my net income from my final paystub because I thought that was my "actual" income. Ended up having to amend my return when I realized the error. The key thing that helped me understand it: your paystub shows net pay because that's what you take home, but the government needs to know your total earnings (gross) to calculate what you should owe in taxes. The taxes already taken out of your paycheck are just prepayments - like making installments on a bill. So definitely use your W-2 Box 1 for wages, and don't overthink it. The form is designed to walk you through the process step by step once you have the right starting numbers.

This thread has been super helpful! I'm a newcomer to filing taxes myself (my parents used to handle everything), and I was making the same mistake of looking at my net pay and trying to figure out how that related to my taxes. Reading through all these explanations, especially about how pre-tax deductions work and why Box 1 on the W-2 is the number that matters, really cleared things up for me. I had no idea that my 401k contributions were already reducing my taxable wages before they even got to my tax return. One question though - if I have both a regular job with a W-2 AND did some freelance work with a 1099, do I still start with my W-2 Box 1 amount and then add the 1099 income on top of that? Or is there a different process when you have mixed income types?