How to correctly calculate tax liability using a spreadsheet for single filers
I'm trying to build a spreadsheet to calculate my actual tax liability and I'm getting so confused. I'm single with no dependents and just trying to make sure I understand my taxes before filing this year. Here's my situation with some rough numbers: I make about $105,000 from my W-2 job and don't have any side income. For pre-tax deductions, I've got $2,700 for health insurance premiums, $425 for dental, $4,000 going to my HSA, and I'm putting 15% ($15,750) into my 401K. I'm planning to take the standard deduction. So I calculated my taxable income as $105,000 - $22,875 (all pre-tax deductions) - $13,850 (standard deduction) = $68,275. That puts me in the 22% bracket. For my federal income tax, I did: $5,147 + 0.22 * ($68,275 - $44,725) = $10,357. But when I use one of those online paycheck calculators (ADP's website), it says my tax liability should be around $11,380. I'm off by more than $1,000! I think I'm missing something fundamental about how pre-tax deductions actually work. Which of my deductions actually reduce my taxable income for federal tax purposes? Also, I'm confused about FICA taxes. Are they calculated based on my gross income, my income after pre-tax deductions, or something else? Does the standard deduction factor in at all for FICA?
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Eleanor Foster
You're getting confused between pre-tax deductions for federal income tax purposes versus pre-tax deductions for FICA (Social Security and Medicare) purposes. Not all pre-tax deductions are treated the same way. For federal income tax calculations, all the deductions you listed (health insurance, dental, HSA, and 401k) reduce your taxable income. You calculated this part correctly. However, for FICA taxes, 401k contributions are still subject to FICA even though they're exempt from income tax. So Social Security (6.2%) and Medicare (1.45%) taxes are calculated based on your gross income minus health insurance, dental, and HSA contributions, but still including your 401k contributions. That's likely why your calculations aren't matching up with the paycheck calculator. When calculating your total tax liability, you need to include: 1. Federal income tax (which you calculated) 2. Social Security tax: 6.2% of (gross income - health insurance - dental - HSA) 3. Medicare tax: 1.45% of (gross income - health insurance - dental - HSA) And no, the standard deduction doesn't factor into FICA calculations at all - it only reduces your income for federal income tax purposes.
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Nathan Kim
•Wait, so my 401k contributions are still subject to FICA? I had no idea! So for my example, I'd calculate FICA on $105,000 - $2,700 - $425 - $4,000 = $97,875, but NOT subtracting the $15,750 for 401k? And does the standard deduction have any impact on state income taxes, or is that just for federal?
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Eleanor Foster
•Yes, that's exactly right! You'd calculate FICA taxes on $97,875 in your example, which includes your 401k contributions. Social Security would be 6.2% of that amount (up to the annual wage base limit, which is $168,600 for 2024), and Medicare would be 1.45% of that amount (with no upper limit). For state income taxes, it varies by state. Most states have their own version of a standard deduction, but the amount usually differs from the federal amount. Some states use your federal adjusted gross income (AGI) as a starting point and then apply their own deductions and exemptions. Others have completely different systems. You'd need to check your specific state's tax rules to be sure.
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Lucas Turner
Hey there! I went through the exact same frustration last year when I was trying to budget my taxes. I was using Excel and kept getting numbers that were way off from what my actual paychecks showed. After weeks of frustration, I discovered this tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that completely changed everything for me. What I love about it is that it actually explains WHY your numbers are different instead of just giving you the final amount. It showed me that I had been applying pre-tax deductions incorrectly, especially for FICA taxes (exactly what you're struggling with). It walks you through which deductions apply to which taxes and shows you your actual marginal tax rate based on all factors. For your specific issue with pre-tax deductions, it would break down exactly how each deduction impacts federal vs. FICA taxes, which would solve your calculation problems. Way better than those basic online calculators that don't explain anything!
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Kai Rivera
•Does it handle state taxes too? I'm in California and the state taxes are almost as complicated as federal. Would be nice to have everything in one place.
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Anna Stewart
•I'm suspicious of tax websites. How do you know they're giving accurate information? Do they guarantee their calculations? I got burned by a bad calculation from a tax website last year and ended up owing penalties.
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Lucas Turner
•It definitely handles state taxes including California. That was actually one of my biggest frustrations with regular calculators - they'd get the federal part mostly right but completely miss all the state-specific deductions and credits. The tool breaks down each state's specific rules which was super helpful. For accuracy, I was skeptical too initially. What convinced me was that they show you exactly which tax code sections they're using for each calculation. You can verify everything yourself if you want. Plus they update when tax laws change, which regular spreadsheets don't. I compared their calculations to my actual tax return from last year and it was spot on.
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Kai Rivera
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Layla Sanders
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Morgan Washington
•How does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you? Couldn't I just do that myself and save whatever they charge?
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Anna Stewart
•This sounds like a scam. How could they possibly get you through to the IRS faster than anyone else? The IRS phone system is notoriously awful for everyone. I don't buy that some third-party service has a magical "skip the line" button.
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Layla Sanders
•They don't call the IRS for you. They use a system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold, then calls you when they've reached a human representative. Basically, their system handles the waiting so you don't have to sit with your phone for hours. You absolutely could do it yourself - if you have several hours to sit on hold. Last tax season, average IRS hold times were over 90 minutes according to their own reports. I tried calling myself multiple times and either got disconnected after waiting an hour or was told the call volume was too high. With Claimyr, I did something else with my time and got called when an actual person was on the line.
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Anna Stewart
I have to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I was still desperate to get clarification on some 401k rollover questions, so I tried it anyway. I expected it to be a waste of money, but I was connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes when I had previously spent over 3 hours on hold before getting disconnected. The IRS agent answered all my questions about how different retirement contributions affect my tax liability calculations, and now my spreadsheet actually matches what I'm seeing on my paychecks. I would have spent hours more trying to figure this out on my own. Sometimes it's worth admitting when you're wrong!
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Kaylee Cook
Don't forget that if you earn above certain thresholds, there's also the Additional Medicare Tax of 0.9% on earnings above $200,000 for single filers. That's another thing that messes up people's calculations when they're in higher income brackets. Also, you mentioned using tax brackets manually. Make sure you're using the correct tax brackets for the tax year you're calculating. They adjust for inflation each year, so the bracket cutoffs for 2024 are different than 2023.
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Nathan Kim
•Thanks for pointing that out! I'm not in that income bracket yet, but good to know for future planning. Do you know if HSA contributions have any special tax implications I should be aware of? I'm trying to max mine out this year.
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Kaylee Cook
•HSA contributions are pretty much the ultimate tax-advantaged account - they're pre-tax for both federal income tax AND FICA taxes (unlike 401k contributions which are still subject to FICA). Plus, the money grows tax-free and withdrawals for qualified medical expenses are tax-free too. It's basically triple tax-advantaged. One thing to be careful about though - if your HSA contributions are made through payroll deduction, they're automatically pre-tax for everything. But if you contribute directly to your HSA outside of payroll, you'll get the income tax deduction when you file your taxes, but you won't save on the FICA taxes. So payroll deduction is usually better if you have that option.
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Oliver Alexander
I had similar problems with my calculations. The issue was that I was calculating taxes on a yearly basis, but my payroll system was calculating them on a per-paycheck basis and then projecting that out. The tax brackets are applied to each paycheck as if that's what you'll make every pay period for the whole year. So if you get paid biweekly and make $4,000 per paycheck, the system calculates taxes as if you'll make $104,000 for the year ($4,000 × 26 paychecks). If you have months with 3 paychecks or get a bonus, that throws off the calculation even more.
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Lara Woods
•This is exactly right! Payroll systems use what's called the "aggregate method" or sometimes the "annualized method" where they take your current paycheck, multiply it out to an annual amount, calculate the tax on that annual amount, then divide back down to get the withholding for that specific paycheck. This is why your withholding might be higher on paychecks with bonuses or overtime - the system thinks your annual income just went up dramatically. By year end though, it all evens out when you file your tax return.
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