How do I calculate my tax liability accurately with a spreadsheet? Numbers don't match online calculator
I'm starting to panic a bit because I'm trying to plan my finances for next year, and I can't figure out how to calculate my tax liability correctly. I've set up a spreadsheet but getting totally different results compared to online calculators. Here's what I'm working with (using example numbers): For 2024, let's say I'm earning $100,000 from my W-2 job with no other income. I'm single, taking the standard deduction. I have pre-tax deductions totaling $21,500 ($2,500 for health insurance, $400 for dental, $4,000 for HSA, and 15% or $14,600 for my 401k). So I calculated my taxable income as: $100,000 - $21,500 - $13,850 (standard deduction) = $64,650 That puts me in the 22% tax bracket. So I calculated: $5,147 + 0.22 * ($64,650 - $44,725) = $9,531 But when I use smartasset.com's calculator with the exact same numbers, it says my federal tax liability will be $11,352. I'm completely lost on what I'm doing wrong. Do I misunderstand how pre-tax deductions work? Are certain deductions treated differently? Also, I'm confused about FICA taxes too. Are they calculated on gross income, income after pre-tax deductions, or something else entirely? Is the standard deduction applied before calculating FICA? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to budget properly and this difference is significant!
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Ruby Garcia
Your main issue is that not all "pre-tax" deductions are treated equally for all types of taxes. Here's what's happening: For federal income tax calculations: - 401(k) contributions are excluded from your taxable income - HSA contributions are excluded from your taxable income - Health and dental insurance premiums paid through employer plans are typically excluded For FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare): - 401(k) and HSA contributions are subject to FICA taxes - Health/dental insurance premiums are not subject to FICA taxes So when calculating federal income tax, your approach of subtracting all pre-tax deductions is correct. But that online calculator is likely including the proper FICA calculations (which you're not accounting for in your spreadsheet). For Social Security tax: 6.2% on the first $160,200 of earnings (for 2024) For Medicare tax: 1.45% on all earnings Additionally, make sure you're using the correct tax bracket information for 2024, as the numbers change yearly with inflation adjustments.
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Alexander Evans
•This makes so much sense! Thanks for the detailed explanation. Just to make sure I understand correctly - for calculating my federal income tax, I should subtract ALL my pre-tax deductions (401k, HSA, health insurance) from my gross income, then subtract the standard deduction, then use the tax brackets? But for FICA taxes, only the health and dental insurance are truly "pre-tax"? The 401k and HSA still get hit with FICA?
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Ruby Garcia
•Yes, you've got it exactly right for federal income tax calculations. Subtract all those pre-tax deductions from your gross, then subtract the standard deduction, then apply the tax brackets. For FICA taxes, you're correct that health and dental insurance premiums are exempt from both Social Security and Medicare taxes, while 401(k) and HSA contributions are subject to these taxes. So your FICA taxes are calculated on your gross income minus only the health/dental insurance premiums. This difference in what's considered "pre-tax" for different tax types is exactly why your calculations weren't matching up with the online calculator.
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Evelyn Martinez
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Evelyn Martinez
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Maya Lewis
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Isaac Wright
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Lucy Taylor
•How does that even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously impossible to navigate. Do they just keep calling until they get through?
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Connor Murphy
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Connor Murphy
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KhalilStar
In addition to what others have said, make sure you're factoring in the correct standard deduction for your filing status and tax year. These numbers change annually. For 2024, single filer standard deduction is $13,850. Also, remember that tax brackets are marginal. You only pay the higher percentage on income above each threshold. I've seen people calculate their entire tax based on their highest bracket, which is a common mistake.
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Isaiah Thompson
•Thanks for pointing this out! I am using the 2024 standard deduction amount ($13,850) in my calculations. And I think I'm applying the tax brackets correctly with the marginal approach - only applying the higher rate to the portion of income that falls within that bracket. I'm starting to understand that my main issue is likely how I'm treating the different pre-tax deductions for FICA vs federal income tax. That would explain the discrepancy.
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KhalilStar
•Glad to hear you're using the correct standard deduction! And it sounds like you're applying the marginal tax rates correctly too. Yes, the distinction between how deductions are treated for federal income tax versus FICA is almost certainly the source of your calculation discrepancy. Once you separate those calculations in your spreadsheet - one for federal income tax (where most pre-tax deductions apply) and another for FICA (where fewer deductions apply) - you should get much closer to matching those online calculators. It's a common source of confusion even for people who are otherwise tax-savvy.
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Amelia Dietrich
An easy way to check your work is to look at your final paystub from last year (or a current paystub if you're trying to project for this year). Multiply the withholding amounts by the appropriate number to get annual totals. For example, if paid biweekly, multiply by 26. If paid semi-monthly, multiply by 24. Then you can see if your calculated liability is in the ballpark of what's being withheld. Remember that withholding isn't perfect, but it should be reasonably close for a straightforward W-2 income situation.
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Kaiya Rivera
•This is great advice, but keep in mind that withholding tables are just approximations based on your W-4. If you have other income sources or deductions that aren't factored into your W-4, your actual tax liability could differ significantly from what's being withheld.
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