< Back to IRS

Elijah O'Reilly

Is my Tax return gonna be based off my Gross income or my Net income for 2025 filing?

So I'm trying to figure out my taxes for next year and I'm super confused about whether the IRS looks at my gross income or my net income when determining my tax return amount. I work as a freelance graphic designer and also have a part-time job at a coffee shop. Last year I made about $42,000 from my design gigs (before expenses) and another $15,800 from the coffee shop. For my design work, I spent around $8,500 on new software, a computer, and other business expenses. I've been setting aside money for taxes, but I'm not sure if I should be calculating based on my total income (like $57,800) or if I can subtract my business expenses first (which would be around $49,300). This makes a huge difference in what I might owe! My friend told me one thing but then I read something different online. Does anyone know which income figure the IRS actually uses when figuring out how much tax I owe? And does this affect how much I might get back in a refund? This is only my second year filing with self-employment income and I'm pretty lost.

Amara Torres

•

The IRS taxes you based on your taxable income, which is closer to your net income rather than gross. For your situation as a freelancer, you'll report your self-employment income on Schedule C where you list both your gross receipts ($42,000) AND your business expenses ($8,500). The difference ($33,500) is your net profit from self-employment, and that's what gets added to your other income. Your W-2 income from the coffee shop ($15,800) is added to your net self-employment income ($33,500), giving you a total income of about $49,300. But that's still not your taxable income! You'll then get to subtract your standard deduction (or itemized deductions if higher) and any other adjustments you qualify for, like self-employed health insurance or retirement contributions. Also keep in mind that you'll owe self-employment tax on your net self-employment income, which is an additional 15.3% to cover Social Security and Medicare (since you're both employer and employee for that income).

0 coins

Thanks for explaining! So just to make sure I understand - I'll report $57,800 total as my gross income, but after subtracting my $8,500 in business expenses, I'll actually be taxed on something closer to $49,300 (minus additional deductions)? That makes me feel better about what I might owe. Quick follow-up: Does that mean when I'm setting aside money throughout the year, I should be calculating based on my net income after expenses, not my gross?

0 coins

Amara Torres

•

Yes, you've got it right - you'll report the full amounts but ultimately be taxed on your income after eligible expenses and deductions are subtracted. For setting aside money throughout the year, calculating based on your net income is generally more accurate. Since you have both self-employment and W-2 income, I recommend setting aside around 25-30% of your net self-employment income to cover both income tax and self-employment tax. Your W-2 job should already be withholding for that portion of your income, but you might want to slightly increase those withholdings on your W-4 to help cover the taxes on your self-employment income as well.

0 coins

I was in a similar situation last year with mixed income sources and spent hours trying to figure all this out. I finally used https://taxr.ai to analyze my previous tax forms and income documentation, which helped me understand exactly what income gets taxed and how. The tool showed me how my freelance photography income was actually taxed on net profit (after expenses), not gross. It even flagged a bunch of deductions I was missing that saved me almost $1,900! The system walks you through all your income sources separately and shows exactly how each affects your tax situation.

0 coins

Mason Kaczka

•

Does it work for people with rental income too? I have W-2 job plus a small rental property and always struggle with understanding what expenses I can deduct and how it affects my overall tax situation.

0 coins

Sophia Russo

•

I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How exactly does it determine deductions you might have missed? Does it actually look at your specific situation or just give generic advice anyone could find online?

0 coins

Yes, it absolutely works for rental income too! It has a specific section for rental properties where you can enter all your income and expenses. It'll help you determine which expenses are fully deductible versus those that might need to be depreciated over time. It really helped me understand the difference between repairs (fully deductible) and improvements (which must be depreciated). Regarding skepticism, I felt the same way initially. What makes this different is it doesn't just provide generic advice - it analyzes your actual documents and financial patterns. For example, it noticed I frequently purchased external hard drives and suggested categorizing them as deductible business expenses rather than personal items since I use them exclusively for storing client photos. It also recommended tracking mileage between photography locations which I hadn't been doing. The suggestions were specific to my actual spending patterns rather than generic checklists.

0 coins

Mason Kaczka

•

I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here, and I'm actually shocked at how helpful it was! I uploaded my previous tax returns and bank statements, and it immediately identified that I was missing deductions for my home office (I use a dedicated room for my consulting business) and internet expenses. The analysis showed I was calculating my taxable income completely wrong - I was basically overpaying by not deducting legitimate business expenses from my gross income. The tool even helped me understand how to properly categorize mixed-use expenses (like my cell phone that's used for both personal and business). For anyone wondering about gross vs. net income like the original poster - the guided walkthrough really clarifies which income gets taxed and how different deductions affect your final tax bill. Definitely worth checking out if you're confused about what you actually owe taxes on!

0 coins

Evelyn Xu

•

If you're having trouble figuring out your tax situation, try calling the IRS directly. But good luck actually reaching someone! I spent THREE DAYS trying to get through about a similar gross vs. net income question last year. The automated system kept disconnecting me after 2+ hours on hold each time. I finally discovered https://claimyr.com which got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. Basically they use technology to navigate the phone system and hold your place in line, then call you when an agent is about to answer. The IRS agent I spoke with clearly explained that for self-employment, I'd be taxed on my net profit (gross income minus legitimate business expenses) plus any other income sources. She also helped me understand which expenses actually qualify as business deductions vs. personal expenses. Saved me so much stress trying to figure it out on my own!

0 coins

Dominic Green

•

Wait, how does this actually work? I don't understand how a third party service can get you through the IRS phone system faster than calling directly. Do they have some special access or something?

0 coins

Sophia Russo

•

Sounds too good to be true. The IRS phone system is notoriously impossible during tax season. I'd be surprised if any service could actually get through when millions of people can't. And if they somehow can, wouldn't everyone just use that and overwhelm whatever "trick" they're using?

0 coins

Evelyn Xu

•

It uses an automated system that continually redials and navigates the IRS phone tree until it gets a place in line, then it holds that spot. When a human agent is about to pick up, it calls your phone and connects you. It's all explained in that YouTube video I linked. No special access - they're just using technology to handle the tedious part of waiting on hold. The service is used by tax professionals too, but it's not widely known enough to overwhelm the system. I was skeptical too, but when I actually spoke to an IRS agent about my specific tax situation after trying unsuccessfully for days on my own, I was convinced. The agent answered all my questions about business expenses and how they affect taxable income.

0 coins

Sophia Russo

•

Well I stand completely corrected about Claimyr. After all my skepticism I decided to try it yesterday since I had questions about claiming my business mileage. I figured it would be a waste of time but at least then I could come back here and complain lol. To my complete surprise, I got connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes! I've literally NEVER been able to reach anyone at the IRS during tax season before. The agent walked me through exactly how my gross business income gets reduced by my expenses (including mileage) to calculate my net income for tax purposes. For the original question - the agent confirmed that you definitely pay taxes on your net business income (after expenses), not gross. And she gave me some additional tips about quarterly estimated payments that I hadn't even thought to ask about. I hate admitting when I'm wrong but this service actually delivered.

0 coins

Hannah Flores

•

One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you have self-employment income, you should really consider making quarterly estimated tax payments throughout the year rather than waiting until filing time. The IRS expects you to pay as you earn. If you wait until tax filing to pay everything at once, you could get hit with underpayment penalties. I learned this the hard way my first year freelancing and got stuck with almost $300 in penalties!

0 coins

I've heard about quarterly payments but wasn't sure if they applied to me since I also have the coffee shop job where they take out taxes. How do I figure out how much to pay each quarter? And are the deadlines the same every year?

0 coins

Hannah Flores

•

Since you have W-2 income with tax withholding plus self-employment income, you have two options to avoid penalties. You can either make sure your W-2 withholding covers at least 90% of your total tax liability (by increasing withholding on your W-4), or you can make quarterly estimated payments on your self-employment income. Quarterly payment deadlines are typically April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year (though these can shift if they fall on weekends or holidays). You can calculate your estimated payments using Form 1040-ES. Generally, you'll want to pay about 30-35% of your net self-employment income across those four payments to cover both income tax and self-employment tax.

0 coins

Just FYI, tax software makes this WAY easier to figure out. You don't need to understand all the details about gross vs net income yourself. Programs like TurboTax, FreeTaxUSA, or even the IRS Free File options will walk you through entering your different income sources and expenses. I use HR Block and it automatically figures out my taxable income after I enter all my 1099 income and business expenses. The interview style questions make sure I don't miss any deductions too.

0 coins

Tax software isn't always reliable for self-employed people tho. Last year TurboTax missed several deductions my accountant friend caught later. It's better to understand the basics yourself even if you use software.

0 coins

I'm a tax professional and wanted to add some clarity here. You're absolutely correct that taxes are based on your net income after legitimate business expenses, not gross income. However, I'd caution against relying solely on third-party tools or services without understanding the fundamentals yourself. For your specific situation with $42,000 in design income and $8,500 in business expenses, you'll report both amounts on Schedule C. Your net profit of $33,500 will be subject to both regular income tax AND self-employment tax (15.3%). This is important because many people forget about the self-employment tax component. A few key points: 1) Make sure all $8,500 in expenses are truly business-related and properly documented, 2) Consider whether any purchases should be depreciated over multiple years rather than deducted in full this year, 3) Track your home office expenses and vehicle mileage if applicable, and 4) Remember that your standard deduction will further reduce your taxable income after calculating your adjusted gross income. The quarterly payment advice mentioned earlier is spot-on - with $33,500 in net self-employment income, you should definitely be making estimated payments to avoid penalties. I'd recommend consulting with a local CPA for your first year with significant self-employment income to make sure you're set up correctly going forward.

0 coins

Maya Lewis

•

Thank you so much for the professional insight! This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was looking for. I have a couple follow-up questions if you don't mind: 1) You mentioned some purchases might need to be depreciated rather than fully deducted - how do I know which is which? For example, I bought a new computer for $2,800 and Adobe Creative Suite subscription for $600/year. 2) For the home office deduction, I use about 150 sq ft of my 1,200 sq ft apartment exclusively for design work. Is this something I can claim even as a renter? 3) When you say "properly documented" for expenses, what level of documentation does the IRS actually require? I have receipts for everything but wasn't sure if I needed more detailed records. The self-employment tax point is really helpful - I definitely wasn't factoring that additional 15.3% into my tax planning! Sounds like I need to be setting aside closer to 35-40% of my net design income rather than the 25% I was thinking.

0 coins

IRS AI

Expert Assistant
Secure

Powered by Claimyr AI

T
I
+
20,095 users helped today