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Remember that even with no activity, there may be state fees you can't avoid. I had an inactive LLC in California and still had to pay the $800 minimum franchise tax despite having literally zero dollars in revenue. It varies by state though, so check your state's requirements.
This is so important to highlight! I had a similar situation in New York with an inactive LLC and was hit with unexpected filing fees. Different states have completely different rules for these things.
I went through this exact same situation last year with my inactive LLC! Here's what I learned after making some mistakes initially: First, yes you absolutely need to file the 1065 even with zero activity - the IRS doesn't care that nothing happened with your business. However, $420 is way too much for a zero-activity return. I ended up using FreeTaxUSA's business version which was around $40 and handled the partnership return just fine. The software walked me through each section, and since everything was zeros, it was actually pretty straightforward once I got started. The trickier part was figuring out my state requirements. I'm in Texas so I didn't have franchise tax issues like California, but I still had to file a "No Tax Due" report with the state comptroller. Make sure you research your specific state's requirements because they vary wildly. One tip: when you fill out the K-1 forms for each partner, even though the amounts are all zero, you still need to complete the partner information sections correctly. That's where I got tripped up initially. The whole process took me about 2 hours including research time, and cost me less than $50 total instead of hundreds for an accountant.
This is really helpful, thanks for sharing your experience! I'm curious about the K-1 partner information sections you mentioned - what specific details do you need to include even when all the financial amounts are zero? I want to make sure I don't miss anything important when I tackle this myself.
I went through this exact same process about 6 months ago! Definitely bring multiple forms of ID like others mentioned - I brought my driver's license, passport, and social security card just to be safe. The appointment itself was pretty straightforward and took about 20 minutes. One thing I wish I had known beforehand - after they verify your identity, your return basically goes to the back of the processing queue again. So even though the verification is quick, you're still looking at several weeks for them to actually process and release your refund. In my case it was about 5-6 weeks from verification to getting the money in my account. The good news is your refund amount won't change - this is purely an identity verification issue, not an audit or anything like that. Just be patient after tomorrow's appointment and try not to stress too much about the timeline. The money will come eventually!
This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing! I was worried that going to the back of the queue meant starting from scratch, but 5-6 weeks isn't too bad considering. Did you get any kind of confirmation at the appointment that everything was processed correctly, or did you just have to wait and see?
I had to go through this process last year and it was actually much smoother than I expected! The verification appointment itself is really quick - they just check your documents and ask you a few questions about your return to confirm you're really you. One tip: if you filed electronically, try to bring a copy of your return or at least remember some key details like your AGI from the prior year, because they might ask verification questions based on that info. After verification, my return took about 3-4 weeks to process and my refund amount was exactly what I expected - no changes at all. The hardest part is just the waiting, but at least you know it's moving forward once you complete the verification. Good luck with your appointment tomorrow!
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to know about bringing the AGI from last year - I wouldn't have thought of that. It's such a relief to hear from multiple people that the refund amount doesn't change and it's really just a waiting game after verification. I'm feeling much more confident about my appointment tomorrow now!
Given that you have verified your identity with the and they indicated a timeframe of 1-3 weeks for updates, here's a summary and what you should expect next: Summary of Current Transcript Codes Code 150 (Tax return filed): Indicates your return has been processed. Code 276 (Penalty for late payment of tax): A penalty has been assessed for late payment. Code 196 (Interest charged for late payment): Interest has been charged on the late payment. Code 971 (Notice issued): A notice has been sent to you explaining the penalties, interest, or other matters related to your return. What to Expect Next Notice Explanation: Within the next few weeks, you should receive a notice from the (referenced by Code 971). This notice will provide detailed information about the penalties and interest that have been applied to your account. Update on WMR: The "Where's My Refund" () tool may not reflect immediate updates due to processing lags. However, after 1-3 weeks post-verification, you should start seeing changes or updates on your refund status. Receipt of Refund: If everything is in order and there are no further issues, your refund (if applicable after penalties and interest) should be processed and sent to you. Given that you already saw a "Refund issued" code (846) in your previous transcript, it indicates that your refund was calculated and should be on its way. Recommendations Check for Notices: Keep an eye on your mail for any correspondence from the IRS. The notice will provide important information about any actions you need to take. Monitor Tool: Continue to check the tool for updates on your refund status. Contact if Needed: If you do not receive any updates or the notice within the 1-3 week period, consider reaching out to the again for clarification. Prepare Documentation: Ensure you have all necessary documentation and records related to your tax return and the verification process in case further action or clarification is needed. Also, based on the new image you provided, here are the explanations for the codes and transactions on your transcript: Code 150 (Tax return filed): Explanation: This indicates that the has received and processed your tax return. Cycle: 20242105 (processing cycle number). Date: 06-10-2024. Amount: $35,886.00 (this is the total amount of tax liability reported on your return). Code 276 (Penalty for late payment of tax): Explanation: This indicates that a penalty has been assessed for the late payment of taxes. Cycle: 20242105. Date: 06-10-2024. Amount: $358.86 (this is the penalty amount for the late payment). Code 196 (Interest charged for late payment): Explanation: This indicates that interest has been charged on the late payment of taxes. Cycle: 20242105. Date: 06-10-2024. Amount: $441.91 (this is the amount of interest charged for the late payment). Code 971 (Notice issued): Explanation: This indicates that the has issued a notice to you. The notice will provide details about the penalty, interest, or other matters related to your tax return. Date: 06-10-2024. Amount: $0.00 (this code does not represent a financial transaction but indicates that a notice has been sent). Summary Code 150 confirms that your tax return has been processed with a reported tax liability of $35,886.00. Code 276 and Code 196 indicate that penalties and interest have been assessed for late payment of taxes. These amounts add to your total liability. Code 971 signifies that a notice has been issued to you, which will explain the penalties and interest in more detail.
I see. If those were the only codes, then hit me up here when you get the notice. Happy to help. BTW you should look for code 846 "Refund Issued". Since I don't see that, it's likely everything is being held up by the 971 code, which will be explained in a letter the will send you.
Travis, I'm also jumping in here because everyone's absolutely right to be concerned about that $189,617 figure! That would be an incredibly unusual refund amount - we're talking about almost $190,000, which is extremely rare for individual tax returns. I think what's happening is you might be looking at your total income, total withholdings, or some other large figure instead of your actual refund amount. Here's how to find your real refund: **Check these specific locations:** - **Form 1040, Line 35** - This is your actual refund amount - **Your tax software summary** - If you filed online, check your confirmation - **"Where's My Refund" tool** - Go to irs.gov and check what it shows **You might accidentally be looking at:** - Your annual wages/salary (could easily be $189k+) - Total federal taxes withheld all year - Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) - Some other income figure on your transcript The math is simple once we get the right number: Your actual refund minus $800.77 (that's your penalty + interest) equals what you'll receive. Since you have Code 971 (Notice Issued) but no Code 846 (Refund Issued), the is holding your refund until they mail you that explanation notice. Once that's resolved, you should see Code 846 appear and get your refund. Could you please check Line 35 on your actual Form 1040 and share that number? That should clear up all the confusion and we can give you a definitive answer!
Travis, I'm also concerned about that $189,617 figure - everyone here is absolutely right to question it! That's an incredibly large refund amount that would be very unusual for most people. I think you might be looking at the wrong line on your documents. Here's what I'd suggest: **Most likely you're seeing:** - Your total wages for the year (Box 1 from W-2s) - Total federal taxes withheld from paychecks - Your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) - Some other income figure **To find your actual refund amount:** - Look at Form 1040, Line 35 - this shows your real refund - Check your tax software confirmation if you filed electronically - Use the "Where's My Refund" tool on irs.gov Once we know your actual refund from Line 35, we can easily calculate what you'll receive after the penalties and interest are deducted ($800.77 total). The Code 971 on your transcript means the is sending you a notice explaining these charges. Once you get that notice and everything is cleared up, you should see Code 846 (Refund Issued) appear and receive your refund. Can you check Line 35 on your Form 1040 and let us know what that actually says? That'll help us give you a much clearer picture of what to expect!
One additional consideration that might be relevant to your situation - if either of you contributed to retirement accounts like traditional IRAs or 401(k)s, the deduction limits are significantly different for MFS status. For married filing separately, the ability to deduct traditional IRA contributions phases out completely at much lower income levels if either spouse has a workplace retirement plan. At your $142k income, you'd likely lose the ability to deduct traditional IRA contributions entirely if filing separately (assuming you have a 401k at work). Your wife at $24.3k would still be able to make deductible contributions, but the overall household retirement savings tax benefits could be reduced. Also, since you mentioned you're in the process of separating, don't forget about the dependency exemption aspect. While you can each claim your biological children as dependents, make sure you coordinate who claims any other potential dependents or qualifying relatives to avoid conflicts with the IRS. The timing of your separation during the tax year can also affect certain deductions - for example, if you paid any medical expenses for your wife or her daughter before the separation, those might only be deductible if you file jointly. Same goes for any educational expenses you might have paid on behalf of her daughter.
This is such valuable insight about the IRA deduction limits! I hadn't even thought about how MFS would affect retirement contributions. Quick question - if I'm already maxing out my 401(k) at work but also want to contribute to a traditional IRA, would filing separately mean I completely lose that IRA deduction? And would my wife still be able to contribute to a spousal IRA if we file separately, or does that option only exist for joint filers? The point about medical and educational expenses paid before separation is really important too. We did pay some significant medical bills for her daughter earlier in the year when we were still together. If we file separately, I assume I wouldn't be able to include those expenses in my medical deduction since she's not my dependent anymore?
You're correct about the IRA deduction - at your $142k income level with a workplace 401(k), you'd completely lose the traditional IRA deduction if filing separately. The phase-out for MFS starts at $0 and is completely gone by $10,000 of income when covered by an employer plan, versus the much higher thresholds for joint filers. Regarding spousal IRAs, that's only available for joint filers. If you file separately, your wife would need to contribute to her own IRA based solely on her earned income ($24.3k), which would still allow her the full deduction since she's under the income limits. For the medical expenses you paid for her daughter before separation - this gets tricky. Generally, you can only deduct medical expenses you paid for yourself, your spouse, or your dependents. Since her daughter isn't your dependent and you're filing separately, you likely couldn't include those expenses. However, if the expenses were paid from joint funds or if there's some other arrangement, you might want to consult a tax professional about the specific timing and circumstances. The IRS looks at who the qualifying person was at the time the expense was incurred and who actually paid it, so documentation of when payments were made relative to your separation could be important.
Given your complex situation with the income disparity and children involved, I'd definitely recommend getting professional help to run both scenarios. The math can get really tricky with MFS, especially when you factor in all the credits you might lose. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact on any student aid applications if either child will be applying for college soon. The FAFSA uses tax filing status to determine which parent's income to consider, and this could significantly affect financial aid eligibility. With your higher income vs. your wife's much lower income, the filing status choice could make a huge difference in aid calculations. Also, since you're living separately now, you might want to consider whether either of you qualifies for Head of Household status instead of MFS. If you're not legally separated or divorced by year-end, you'd still be considered married for tax purposes, but there might be some planning opportunities for next year once everything is finalized. The general rule of thumb is that joint filing usually comes out ahead unless there are very specific circumstances (like significant medical expenses for one spouse, or income-based student loan repayment considerations). But your situation has enough moving parts that professional guidance could save you thousands.
Great point about the FAFSA implications! I'm actually dealing with this exact situation right now. My 13-year-old daughter will be applying for college in a few years, and I hadn't considered how our filing status this year could set a precedent for those applications. Just to clarify - if we file separately this year, would that mean for FAFSA purposes they'd only look at my income ($24,300) for my daughter's aid applications? That could be a huge advantage compared to including both our incomes if we filed jointly. Or does the FAFSA look at both parents' incomes regardless of tax filing status when the parents are married? Also, regarding Head of Household status - I thought you could only claim that if you're actually single or legally separated. Since we're still technically married but living apart, would either of us qualify for HOH this year? That seems like it could be beneficial given that we each have a child living with us full-time now.
Paolo Rizzo
I've experienced this exact issue multiple times! Here's what worked for me: First, make sure you're not accidentally on mute - I know it sounds obvious, but I've done this before after being on hold for so long. Second, try switching from speaker phone to holding the phone directly to your ear, or vice versa. The IRS system seems really sensitive to audio quality. If you're using wireless earbuds or Bluetooth, disconnect them and use your phone's built-in mic instead. I've also had success asking the agent to call me back at a different number if possible - sometimes starting fresh with a new connection solves the problem. The most important thing is don't waste time trying to make a bad connection work. As soon as you realize they can't hear you, politely ask to be transferred or to try again with a different line. Their phone system is ancient but the agents are usually understanding about technical issues since it happens all the time!
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Landon Flounder
β’These are fantastic practical tips! The mute button suggestion is so true - after being on hold for what feels like forever, it's easy to forget you might have hit mute at some point. I've definitely made the Bluetooth mistake before too - those wireless connections can be really spotty with older phone systems. The idea of asking them to call you back is brilliant, I never thought that was even an option! It's reassuring to know that starting fresh with a new connection often solves the problem. Your point about not wasting time on a bad connection is spot on - I spent way too long trying to make it work instead of just asking for help right away. Thanks for the comprehensive troubleshooting guide! π
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Tristan Carpenter
I had this EXACT same problem last month! After waiting 2.5 hours on hold, the agent couldn't hear a word I said. Here's what finally worked for me: I called back and immediately when someone answered, I said "Before we start, can you hear me clearly? I had technical difficulties on my last call." The agent appreciated the heads up and confirmed the connection was good. Also, make sure you're not using any kind of call recording app or have multiple apps accessing your microphone - I discovered that was part of my problem. The IRS phone system is definitely ancient, but being upfront about potential audio issues right from the start saved me so much frustration on my second attempt. Hang in there! πͺ
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