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Just a friendly warning from someone who's been there... I had almost identical numbers to yours last year and thought I'd get a huge refund. Then I realized (too late) that I hadn't set aside anything for the self-employment taxes on my 1099 income! π± My expected $7K refund dropped to about $6,300 because of that SE tax. Still good, but not what I was planning for. Don't make my mistake - factor in that 15.3% self-employment tax before you start mentally spending your refund money! I've learned my lesson the hard way, lol.
You need to use the EITC Assistant on the IRS website. With your income level and three qualifying children, you're looking at a significant Earned Income Credit. You should also claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you paid for childcare. Your refund will likely be substantial, but you need to file correctly. The self-employment tax will reduce it somewhat, but the credits should more than offset this. Consider making estimated tax payments next year to avoid any penalties.
Would this income level also qualify for the Additional Child Tax Credit if the regular Child Tax Credit exceeds their tax liability? I'm trying to understand if there's a phase-out that would apply here or if they'd get the full refundable portion.
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What about the Recovery Rebate Credit? Or is that not applicable anymore for the current tax year? I'm still learning all these different credits and which ones are still available.
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Have you checked your credit report lately? Sometimes there are federal debts you might not be aware of. I always pull my free annual reports from all three bureaus before tax season. Also, did you withhold taxes from your unemployment? If not, you might owe instead of getting a refund, which would mean no offset issue to worry about.
According to the Treasury Department's official FAQs (https://fiscal.treasury.gov/top/faqs-for-the-public.html), unemployment benefits themselves don't create offset situations. The system works by matching your SSN against a database of debtors. If you've confirmed no matches via the phone system, you should be good. The database is updated weekly, so checking once a week until your refund arrives should give you peace of mind.
I went through this exact situation after my separation last year. Called the offset number weekly. No offsets showed up, and my refund arrived on time with no issues. Just make sure you reported your unemployment income correctly on your return - that's the only way it affects your taxes.
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Tbh I think something else is going on here. Has anyone considered that maybe the IRS is intentionally limiting access bc their systems are overloaded? Or maybe there's some kind of security breach they're not telling us about? Seems sus that so many ppl are getting this msg at the same time. Anyone else think this might be more than just a "glitch"?
This is definitely not a conspiracy. It's just typical tax season system overload, like when Target's website crashes on Black Friday or when concert tickets go on sale and everyone gets booted. The IRS systems are notoriously underfunded and outdated compared to what most private companies use. They're trying to process millions of returns on systems that get updated maybe once a decade. I've been dealing with these same issues for years - it's frustrating but normal.
According to Internal Revenue Manual 3.12.274, cycle codes are assigned during initial processing and indicate when your return information is updated in the IRS Master File system. Per IRM 21.4.1.3(7), a cycle code of 20250504 means your return was processed in cycle 05 (Thursday) of the 2025 fiscal year. Your transcript will update weekly on Thursdays until processing completes. With no additional codes like 570/971, you should expect your refund approximately 7-10 days after the 846 code appears. I received my refund exactly 8 days after seeing my 846 code this filing season. The system is working as designed, even if it's not particularly transparent to taxpayers.
Thanks for this detailed breakdown! Really helpful to know: β’ Cycle code = processing schedule β’ 05 = Thursday updates β’ Need to watch for 846 code β’ 7-10 days after 846 for refund This makes the whole process much clearer!
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Wait, so the IRS fiscal year starts in October? That's why it says 2025 even though we're filing 2024 taxes for 2023 income? Why make this so complicated?
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Last year my cycle code was 20240505 and I remember panicking just like you're doing now. I thought it meant I wouldn't get my refund until 2024 (this was early 2023). I ended up getting my refund about 3 weeks after seeing that code. The cycle code is just internal IRS processing info - the first 4 digits are the fiscal year (which starts in October), the next 2 are the week, and the last 2 are the day of the week. Your 04 means Thursday. Check your transcript next Thursday - you'll likely see movement then.
Haha, I did the exact same thing! Was convinced I wouldn't see my money for a year. The IRS really needs to make their system more user-friendly. It's like they're intentionally making it confusing.
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Is there any way to change which cycle you're on? Mine always updates Fridays. Makes weekends stressful.
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I was in your exact situation last April - first time filing jointly with dependents and needed to verify some child tax credit info. After struggling with the IRS website for days, I finally got through their ID verification. Remember how the IRS used to mail verification codes? They've updated that process now. Once verified, I could see all our past returns, payments, and even notices we never received in the mail. Total game-changer for tax planning!
There are exactly 5 types of transcripts you can request from the IRS: 1. Tax Return Transcript - Shows most line items from your original return (available for current tax year and 3 prior years) 2. Tax Account Transcript - Shows basic data like filing status, AGI, taxable income (available for current tax year and up to 10 prior years) 3. Record of Account - Combines return and account transcripts 4. Wage & Income Transcript - Shows all your reported income (available for up to 10 years) 5. Verification of Non-filing Letter - Proof the IRS has no record of a return For most people with dependents, the Tax Return Transcript is probably what you need, but I'd be careful about which one you request to make sure you get what you actually need.
I've been reading through the IRS transcript guide on irs.gov, but I'm getting confused about the transaction codes. Is 864 the code for the deposit date of my refund? I thought it was 846 based on what I read online, but now I'm second-guessing myself. I'm trying to figure out when my refund will hit my account since I need it for quarterly estimated taxes for my gig work. Thanks for any clarification!
I had this EXACT issue last tax season! I was looking for all sorts of codes that didn't exist. Once I finally saw 846 on my transcript, the money was in my account exactly on the date listed. It was way easier than dealing with my state refund, which gave me no indication when it would arrive. The federal system is actually pretty reliable once you know what to look for. My refund hit at 3am on the exact day the 846 code predicted.
Did you find that your Where's My Refund tool matched up with the 846 date? I'm seeing different information between my transcript and WMR and not sure which one to trust.
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Something that might be helpful to know - there are actually several codes that appear during the refund process. Code 150 means your return was processed. Then you might see 570 (refund hold) and 971 (notice issued) if there are any issues. The 846 code typically comes after those are resolved. It's possible to have multiple 846 codes if adjustments were made. And the cycle date on your transcript (at the top) can sometimes give you a hint about which day of the week your account updates, though this isn't always reliable.
Thank you for this information! According to IRS Publication 5344, are there specific timeframes between seeing code 150 and eventually getting to 846? I've had 150 for three weeks now but nothing else has appeared.
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Based on my experience and what I've seen in this community, exactly 3 options exist for this situation: 1. Create a new ID.me account (takes 15-20 minutes) 2. Call the dedicated account help line at 800-908-4490 (average wait: 37 minutes) 3. Visit a local TAC office in person (requires appointment 2-3 weeks in advance) Is anyone else wondering why the IRS doesn't have a simpler account recovery process like most websites do in 2024?
Have you considered using the IRS Identity Verification Service? It's a less-known alternative that doesn't require access to your original email or phone. You'll need to answer questions based on your credit report and previous tax filings. BUT you need to act quickly as the fiscal quarter ends soon and processing times will double! I just helped my father-in-law through this last week and it took less than an hour online.
CALL THE IRS IMMEDIATELY! The 21-day mark is when you should contact them if you haven't received your refund. The PATH Act only holds refunds until February 15th, and we're now past that date. If you filed February 3rd, you should have your money by now unless there's another issue. Don't wait - call them at 7am when they open to minimize wait times. Ask specifically if there are any flags or holds on your account beyond the normal PATH Act review.
Let me clarify a few points about the PATH Act and the Child Tax Credit for 2023 tax returns: β’ The PATH Act delays refunds for returns claiming EITC and the refundable portion of CTC (Additional Child Tax Credit) β’ For 17-year-olds in 2023, the $500 credit is technically part of the Child Tax Credit structure β’ Whether PATH applies depends on if any portion is refundable vs. just reducing tax liability β’ The 21-day processing guideline is separate from PATH Act holds β’ Many returns are taking longer than 21 days this tax season due to high volume
Have you checked what type of 1099 form you received? This makes a significant difference in how you should proceed. If it's a 1099-NEC or 1099-MISC for self-employment income, you're looking at potential Schedule C implications and self-employment tax. If it's a 1099-INT or 1099-DIV, the tax impact might be less significant. And what about state tax implications? Many states automatically receive federal tax information. The most efficient approach would be: 1. Contact your tax preparer immediately 2. Provide them with the 1099 form 3. Have them calculate the new tax liability 4. Determine if e-filing the 1040-X is an option through their software 5. Set aside funds for any additional tax due plus potential interest I appreciate that you're trying to handle this properly - much better than ignoring it!
Does anyone know if there's a minimum threshold for reporting 1099 income? My situation is similar but my 1099-MISC is only for $412. Is it worth amending for such a small amount or would the IRS not care about this level of unreported income?
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OMG I had EXACTLY this happen last year and it was a nightmare if you don't act fast!! π± I had a 1099-K from PayPal I forgot about and my refund was already processing. Called my accountant in a panic and she said we had to FILE THE AMENDMENT ASAP!! The IRS sent me a notice 3 months later anyway because their systems had already flagged the missing income, but because we had already amended, I just had to call and explain the amendment was already processed. The timing is CRITICAL here - if you wait until they send a notice, you'll pay more in penalties and interest!!
Just to clarify - did you have to pay back some of your refund? I'm in a similar situation and wondering if I should hold off on spending my refund when it arrives in case I end up owing money after amending.
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This happened to me too with a forgotten 1099-INT from an old savings account. The interest was only like $28 but I still had to amend. The amendment process was actually pretty straightforward online through TurboTax, but it did take forever to process - almost 5 months before I got confirmation. Definitely better to be proactive though!
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I tracked my transcript updates obsessively last year (my spouse called it my "tax stalking hobby" π). Here's what I found: Filed 2/15, cycle 05, transcript showed up blank on 2/25, first actual transcript content appeared 3/2, and refund deposited 3/9. The system does its major updates overnight, usually between 3-6am Eastern. I tried checking at various times during the day for a week straight - nothing ever changed until the overnight batch.
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According to Internal Revenue Manual 21.4.1.3, the IRS Master File processing occurs weekly, not daily. Transcripts are a reflection of that Master File data. The cycle code (05 in your case) indicates which processing week your return falls into. Per IRM 3.12.3-2, cycle 05 accounts are processed on Thursdays. This is why most people observe transcript updates happening overnight between Thursday and Friday for cycle 05 taxpayers.
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