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Ryder Ross

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Great question! I went through this exact confusion when I had some casino winnings last year. The key thing to understand is that gambling winnings are treated as ordinary income, which means they get added to all your other income and taxed at your marginal tax rate - not a flat 24%. The 24% you're seeing is just the federal withholding rate that casinos are required to take out on certain large winnings (like jackpots over $5,000). Think of it like the taxes withheld from your paycheck - it's just an advance payment toward what you'll actually owe. So for your $800,000 example, here's what would happen: 1. Casino withholds 24% federal ($192,000) plus any state taxes 2. At tax time, you add the full $800,000 to your other income 3. If this pushes you into the 37% bracket, you'd owe 37% on the portion in that bracket 4. You'd either get a refund if they over-withheld, or owe more if they under-withheld Also don't forget - you can deduct gambling losses up to your winnings if you itemize and keep good records. Save those losing tickets and keep a gambling diary! The most important thing is to set aside extra money beyond what they withhold, because you'll likely owe more at tax time.

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This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I was looking for! Thank you for breaking it down step by step. I think what was confusing me is that I kept seeing "24% tax on gambling winnings" everywhere online, but now I understand that's just the withholding amount, not the final tax rate. So basically it works just like having a really good year at work - the extra income gets stacked on top of everything else and taxed at whatever bracket that puts you in. Makes total sense now! I definitely didn't realize I should set aside extra money beyond what they withhold. That's really good advice about the quarterly payments too from the other comments. Better to be prepared than get hit with penalties later!

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Just to add another perspective - I work as a tax preparer and see gambling tax situations all the time. One thing that trips people up is that the withholding rates can vary depending on what you win and where you win it. For example, if you win at a tribal casino, they might not withhold anything at all even on large jackpots, because they follow different rules. But you still owe the same taxes! I've had clients who thought they were "tax-free" wins and then got shocked at filing time. Also, if you're a regular gambler, keep in mind that the IRS can sometimes classify you as a "professional gambler" if you gamble frequently enough, which changes how you report everything. It's rare, but worth knowing about if you spend a lot of time at casinos or playing online. The safest approach is always to assume you'll owe taxes at your marginal rate and set aside that percentage of any winnings, even if nothing was withheld. Better to have extra money saved than to scramble come tax time!

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Amara Nwosu

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This is really helpful information about tribal casinos! I had no idea they might not withhold anything even on big wins. That could definitely catch someone off guard if they're not expecting it. The professional gambler classification sounds interesting too - do you know roughly what the threshold is for that? Like how often would someone need to gamble before the IRS might consider them a professional? I imagine it's not just about frequency but also about whether you're making a profit consistently? Your advice about setting aside money at your marginal rate regardless of withholding is spot on. I've learned from these comments that it's definitely better to overestimate and have money left over than to underestimate and owe penalties!

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IRS Blocking Transcript Access 21 Days After Filing 1/30 - Identity Verification System Failing Despite Previous Years' Success

Filed my taxes electronically on 1/30 and now I'm having major issues accessing my transcripts online. When I try to login, I get this error message saying "We are not able to provide assistance to you via the identity verification tool" and they can't verify my identity. I've never had this problem before - I always prefer checking transcripts instead of WMR but now I'm completely locked out. The exact error page I'm seeing says "Verify Your Return" at the top, and then "We are not able to provide assistance to you via the identity verification tool." It's so frustrating because I've been using transcript access for years without any problems! The page then goes on to tell me: "If you've already filed, processing usually takes 21 days (electronic returns) or six weeks (paper returns)." And then it keeps directing me to use "Where's My Refund" or download their "IRS2Go app" instead. They even mention "If you've filed an amended return, processing usually takes up to 20 weeks. To check the status of your amended return, go to Where's My Amended Return" - but that's not even relevant to my situation since this isn't an amended return. I'm frustrated because transcript access has always been my go-to method, and now I'm suddenly getting blocked by their identity verification system. I've tried multiple times to verify my identity but keep getting the same message. The transcript system gives so much more detailed information than the basic WMR tool, which is why I always preferred it. Anyone else dealing with this verification issue? Has anyone found a workaround? I really don't want to have to use WMR instead - it just doesn't provide the level of detail I need to see what's happening with my return.

Justin Evans

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i know everyone hates wmr but maybe just use that for now? better than nothing

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Natalie Wang

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wmr is useless tho. never shows the real status 😤

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Justin Evans

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true that lol its like a magic 8 ball with only 3 answers šŸ’€

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Avery Saint

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I'm dealing with the exact same issue! Filed on 1/28 and getting that same "We are not able to provide assistance to you via the identity verification tool" message. It's so annoying because I've been checking my transcripts for the past 3 years without any problems. The system worked fine when I checked it in December for prior year info, but now suddenly it won't verify my identity? Makes no sense. I even tried using different browsers and clearing my cache but nothing works. Really hoping this gets fixed soon because WMR is practically useless compared to the detailed info you get from transcripts.

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Sean O'Brien

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One thing nobody mentioned - if you're filing multiple years of back taxes, mail them in SEPARATE envelopes! I made the mistake of putting 3 years in one envelope and the IRS misplaced two of my returns. Took 9 months to sort out. Also, make copies of EVERYTHING before sending! Trust me, you'll thank yourself later if anything goes wrong.

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Zara Shah

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This is super important advice! I work at an accounting firm and we always send different tax years in separate envelopes with tracking. The IRS processing centers handle different years differently and they can get separated internally if sent together.

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Just wanted to add one more important point - if you're expecting refunds for both 2022 and 2023, you should definitely prioritize filing your 2022 return first since that 3-year deadline (April 2025) is coming up fast. You've got more time for your 2023 return. Also, don't forget to include all your income documents when you file. I see you mentioned W-2s and 1099s - make sure you have ALL of them, including any 1099-INT for bank interest or 1099-DIV for dividends, even if they're small amounts. The IRS already has copies of these documents, so if you miss one, it could delay your refund or trigger correspondence. Since you mentioned the tax stuff makes your head spin, consider using Free File if your income qualifies (usually under $73,000). It's free IRS-approved software that can handle prior year returns and walks you through everything step by step. Much easier than trying to figure out paper forms on your own!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation and had no idea about the Free File option for prior year returns. Do you know if Free File works for all the back tax years or just recent ones? I need to file 2021, 2022, and 2023 and I'm worried I might be stuck with paper forms for the older years. Also, when you say "prioritize filing 2022 first" - does that mean I should wait to file 2023 until after I submit 2022? Or can I prepare both at the same time and just make sure 2022 gets mailed first? I'm trying to get everything done as efficiently as possible since I've already procrastinated way too long on this!

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Does anyone know if you could get in trouble with the IRS for not filing if you were actually owed a refund? I'm in a similar situation - didn't file for 3 years but I think I had too much withheld from my paychecks.

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Dylan Fisher

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Technically you're still supposed to file regardless, but in practice the IRS is much less likely to pursue you if they owe YOU money rather than the other way around. They're more concerned with collecting unpaid taxes than giving out refunds people haven't claimed!

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Chloe Martin

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Hey Sean, I totally understand the anxiety you're feeling - I went through something similar a few years back! The good news is that with income levels around $8k-$10k per year, you were likely below the filing threshold for some of those years anyway (the standard deduction would have covered most of your income). Here's what I'd recommend: First, don't ignore it any longer - it's better to be proactive. Contact the IRS to get wage transcripts for those years (Form 4506-T) so you can see exactly what was reported. You'll probably find that you had taxes withheld and are actually owed refunds! The IRS generally won't penalize you for late filing if you're owed a refund, but you do lose the right to claim refunds after 3 years from the original due date. So if you had refunds coming for 2021, you need to file by April 15, 2025 to claim them. Don't let this stress consume you - tackle it step by step and you'll get through it. The IRS deals with situations like this all the time, and they're generally reasonable when you're making an effort to get compliant.

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Can a newly approved ITIN be used to file for a tax refund from previous tax years?

I'm in a bit of a complicated situation with my daughter's ITIN application and I'm hoping someone can help me figure this out. I originally filed my 2023 taxes back in April 2024 with an ITIN application (Form W-7) for my daughter to claim a tax treaty benefit. I also claimed the Child Tax Credit ($2000) for her at the time. Unfortunately, the ITIN application was rejected in May 2024 because they said the birth certificate wasn't attached (even though the IRS representative told me my daughter's passport would be sufficient documentation). To complicate things further, I realized I should have claimed the Other Dependent Credit ($500) instead of the Child Tax Credit. After receiving the rejection notice, I went to the IRS office with a new W-7 form and an amended tax return (1040-X) where I changed from the Child Tax Credit to the Other Dependent Credit. I paid the additional $1500 difference. By July 2024, I finally received the ITIN number for my daughter, but my amended return was still processing. At the end of August, I got a notice saying I owe $500, which makes me think they processed my original return without considering my daughter's ITIN. I've called the IRS multiple times. They put my account on hold for 4 weeks while waiting for the amended return to process. Just recently, my amended return was completed with "no changes" and I still owe $500. The last IRS representative I spoke with claimed I can't use the newly issued ITIN to file a tax refund for the previous year. I've searched everywhere and can't find anything saying this isn't allowed. Can I use a newly issued ITIN for a previous tax year? What options do I have at this point?

NebulaNomad

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Hey, I just wanted to add one more thing that might help - make sure you're keeping all your certified mail receipts and documentation of every interaction with the IRS. My family went through a similar nightmare with my mother-in-law's ITIN last year. What ultimately worked for us was sending a letter to the Taxpayer Advocate Service explaining the entire timeline with copies of all previous correspondence. They have the authority to cut through a lot of the bureaucratic tape when the normal IRS channels aren't working. You can find your local Taxpayer Advocate Service office here: https://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/contact-us/ They were able to resolve our issue in about 3 weeks after we had been struggling for almost 6 months through normal channels.

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Connor Byrne

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Thank you so much for this suggestion! I hadn't thought about the Taxpayer Advocate Service. Did you need to meet any specific criteria before they would take your case? I've heard they only help in certain circumstances.

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NebulaNomad

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You do need to meet certain criteria, but one of them is "experiencing a delay of more than 30 days to resolve a tax account problem" which definitely applies in your case. Another is "not receiving a response by the date promised" which also seems to fit your situation. In our case, we emphasized that this was causing significant financial hardship (which is another criterion they consider) because we were being asked to pay additional taxes that we shouldn't owe. Just be very clear about the timeline of events and attach copies of all your correspondence with the IRS, including notes about phone calls with dates, times, and what you were told.

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Just wanted to say that I work with international taxpayers frequently, and this is unfortunately a common issue with ITINs. The IRS systems don't always properly connect newly issued ITINs with previously filed returns, especially when there's an amended return involved. Here's a tip that's worked for my clients: When you file your next amended return, attach a clear cover letter that states in bold at the top "ITIN VERIFICATION ISSUE - PREVIOUSLY FILED RETURN" and include a copy of the ITIN assignment letter you received from the IRS. This flags it for special handling. Also, be aware that ITIN applications are processed by a completely different department than tax returns, which is why these issues happen. The ITIN Operations department in Austin, TX issues the ITINs, but they don't necessarily communicate that to the return processing centers automatically.

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Emma Taylor

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This explains so much! My husband and I had the exact same issue with his ITIN last year. We kept getting conflicting information from different IRS reps and nobody seemed to understand why the systems weren't talking to each other. Is there a specific IRS form or process for requesting that they connect an ITIN to a previously filed return? Or is filing another amended return really the only option?

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