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Emily Sanjay

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My tax preparer told me that if your businesses are in the same "general field" you can file them together, but if they're completely different, you should file separately. She gave the example that her client who has a therapy practice and also does public speaking about mental health files on one Schedule C because they're in the same field. But her client who is both a dentist and owns a car wash files two separate Schedule Cs because those are totally unrelated businesses.

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That's the general rule of thumb I've always heard too. I file one Schedule C for my web design and digital marketing work, but my friend who does web design and sells handmade jewelry files two separate ones.

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Collins Angel

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The "general field" rule that Emily mentioned is a good way to think about it. Your guitar performance and repair work definitely fall into the same general field of music/instruments, so you're absolutely fine continuing with one Schedule C. I'm a tax preparer and see this situation a lot. The IRS isn't going to split hairs over whether playing guitar and fixing guitars are "different enough" to require separate filings - they're clearly related activities that complement each other. One thing to consider is keeping internal records that separate the income and expenses for each activity, even if you're filing them together. This makes it easier if you ever need to analyze the profitability of each service or if the IRS has questions during an audit. You can do this with something as simple as different categories in your accounting software. The fact that you've been filing this way for years without any issues from the IRS is a good sign that your approach is reasonable and defensible.

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Eli Wang

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This is really reassuring to hear from an actual tax preparer! I've been keeping pretty detailed records in QuickBooks with different categories for performance income vs repair income, so it sounds like I'm already doing what you recommend. One quick follow-up question - when you mention keeping internal records separated, do you mean I should also track mileage separately for each activity? Right now I just lump all my business driving together since I'm often doing both activities on the same trip (like picking up a guitar for repair on my way to a gig).

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Don't forget you can deduct expenses even for those small gigs! I did face painting at birthday parties last year - all under $600 per client - and was able to deduct all my supplies, travel costs to events, and even a portion of my phone bill for taking bookings. It actually made a big difference and almost cancelled out the taxes I would have owed on that income!

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Anna Xian

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what software did you use to file? i tried using [popular tax software] last year and got super confused about where to put all my little odd jobs.

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Ava Harris

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The $600 threshold is actually just an administrative rule for businesses - it determines when they have to send YOU a 1099 and report the payment to the IRS. But you're absolutely correct that you still need to report ALL income regardless of whether you get a form or not. Here's what I do to stay organized: I created a simple spreadsheet with columns for date, client/company name, description of work, and amount paid. I also keep screenshots of payment confirmations (Venmo, PayPal, Zelle, etc.) and any invoices I send. This creates a paper trail that satisfies the IRS if they ever ask questions. The key thing to remember is that unreported income can come back to bite you later. Even though the company didn't send you a 1099, they might still deduct that payment as a business expense on their taxes, which could create a mismatch if you don't report it as income on yours. Also, once your total self-employment income hits $400 (from all sources combined), you'll need to pay self-employment tax on it, so it's worth tracking everything carefully even if individual payments seem small.

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Yuki Nakamura

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This is really helpful! I'm new to all this tax stuff and was wondering - when you mention that companies might deduct payments as business expenses even if they don't send a 1099, does that mean the IRS could potentially flag me if there's a mismatch? Like if Company X deducts $400 they paid me but I "forgot" to report it as income, would that automatically trigger some kind of audit or investigation? Also, do you happen to know if there's a statute of limitations on this kind of thing? I'm worried I might have missed reporting some small payments from 2024 that I honestly just forgot about until reading this thread.

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StarStrider

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Does anyone know if TurboTax handles the backdoor Roth contribution/conversion correctly? I've heard horror stories about tax software messing this up and people getting unexpected tax bills.

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StarStrider

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Thanks! That's helpful. I contributed and converted on the same day, so I think there weren't any earnings. But I'll check my statements just to be sure. Do you happen to know which section in TurboTax I need to go to? I've been poking around but can't seem to find where to enter the non-deductible contribution specifically.

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In TurboTax, you'll want to look for the "Retirement Plans and Social Security" section, then select "IRA, 401(k), Pension Plan Withdrawals (1099-R)". When you enter your Roth conversion there, it should also prompt you about whether you made any traditional IRA contributions during the year. Alternatively, you can go to "Deductions & Credits" and look for "Retirement Plans" or "IRA Deduction" - this is where you can specifically indicate that you made a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution. Make sure to answer "No" when it asks if you want to deduct the contribution, and "Yes" when it asks if you made the contribution with after-tax dollars. The key is making sure both transactions (the non-deductible contribution AND the conversion) are properly recorded so Form 8606 gets completed accurately.

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Skylar Neal

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Great question! I went through this exact same confusion when I first started doing backdoor Roth conversions. Your traditional IRA basis should indeed be $0 at the end of each tax year since you're converting the entire contribution amount. Here's what's happening: You make a $6,500 non-deductible contribution (this creates basis), then immediately convert that $6,500 to Roth (this removes the basis from your traditional IRA and moves it to your Roth). So while you temporarily have basis when you make the contribution, it gets zeroed out when you do the conversion. The important thing is to file Form 8606 each year to document both the non-deductible contribution and the conversion. This creates a proper paper trail for the IRS. In TurboTax, make sure you enter both transactions - the non-deductible IRA contribution AND the Roth conversion separately. The software should automatically generate the Form 8606 for you. Keep copies of your Form 8606 for each year, along with your IRA statements showing the contributions and conversions. This documentation will be crucial if you ever get audited or have questions down the road.

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This is really helpful! I'm new to the backdoor Roth strategy and was getting confused by all the basis terminology. So if I understand correctly, the basis is kind of like a "temporary" thing that exists just during the tax year between when you make the contribution and when you convert it? Also, when you mention keeping copies of Form 8606 - should I be keeping these indefinitely, or is there a certain number of years that's sufficient for IRS purposes?

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm dealing with similar issues in my web development business where I regularly help local non-profits with website maintenance and updates at reduced rates. One thing I've learned that might help others here: if you're providing ongoing services (like monthly website maintenance or regular social media management), consider creating annual service agreements that clearly outline both the services and any marketing benefits you receive. This makes it easier to track everything consistently throughout the year. Also, don't overlook the networking value of working with non-profits. Many board members are business owners or executives who could become paying clients. While you can't quantify this for tax purposes, it's a legitimate business development strategy that supports treating these relationships as marketing investments rather than pure charity. For anyone considering the AI tax tools mentioned earlier - I'd recommend using them as a starting point but definitely verify any advice with a qualified CPA, especially for business deduction strategies. The tax code around business charitable activities can be tricky, and you want to make sure your approach will hold up if questioned. The sponsorship agreement approach sounds promising though - I'm definitely going to explore that with my accountant for next year's non-profit work.

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Freya Ross

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Great point about the networking value! I run a small graphic design studio and never thought about quantifying the business development aspect of non-profit work. You're absolutely right that board members often become valuable connections. I'm also curious about your mention of annual service agreements - do you structure these as traditional contracts with payment terms, or more like the sponsorship agreements @Anastasia Popova described? I m'wondering if having a formal annual agreement might make it easier to justify treating the work as marketing expense rather than donated services. The verification point about AI tax tools is spot on. I ve'found them helpful for initial research and understanding concepts, but tax law has so many nuances that professional review is essential, especially for business scenarios like this where the line between charity and marketing can get blurry. Have you had any experience with the IRS questioning reduced-rate work for non-profits, or do they generally accept it as long as you re'not claiming charitable deductions for the service value?

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Ethan Clark

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As a tax professional who's worked with many service-based businesses, I want to emphasize a few key points that haven't been fully addressed yet: **The "economic benefit" test is crucial** - The IRS looks at whether you received any economic benefit from the arrangement. If a non-profit provides meaningful marketing exposure, mentions your business in newsletters, or gives you access to their donor network, you're moving into legitimate business expense territory rather than pure charity. **State tax implications vary significantly** - While we've focused on federal rules, don't forget that state tax treatment of business charitable activities can differ substantially. Some states are more restrictive, others more generous. Make sure your approach works for both federal and state returns. **Audit risk considerations** - Large discrepancies between your reported income and industry norms can trigger scrutiny. If you're doing significant free work, document your rationale clearly. The IRS wants to see business purpose, not tax avoidance schemes. **Cash flow timing matters** - If you're considering the "charge full price then donate back" approach mentioned earlier, be aware this affects your quarterly estimated payments. You'll owe tax on the full income when received, even if you donate it back later in the year. I'd strongly recommend working with a CPA who understands service businesses and has experience with charitable/sponsorship arrangements. The strategies discussed here can work, but they need proper structure and documentation from day one.

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This is incredibly valuable insight from a professional perspective! The "economic benefit" test you mentioned is something I hadn't fully considered - it really helps clarify when discounted work crosses the line from charity into legitimate business expense territory. Your point about state tax implications is especially important. I've been focusing entirely on federal rules and completely overlooked that my state might have different requirements. Definitely need to research that before implementing any of these strategies. The audit risk consideration really resonates with me. I've been doing quite a bit of free work for non-profits, and now I'm wondering if the discrepancy between my reported income and what would be typical for my industry size could be a red flag. Having clear business rationale documented sounds essential. Quick question about the cash flow timing issue - if someone were to pursue the "charge full price then donate back" approach, would it be better to structure those donations quarterly to align with estimated payment periods? Or does the timing of the donation within the tax year not matter as much as having it documented properly? Also, when you mention working with a CPA experienced in service businesses - are there specific certifications or specializations I should look for, or is it more about finding someone who's dealt with similar charitable/sponsorship arrangements before? @Ethan Clark, thanks for bringing the professional perspective to this discussion - it's exactly what we needed to ground all these strategies in reality!

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I'm a tax professional and see this question constantly during filing season! The blank transcript with just an "as of date" is completely normal and actually indicates your return is progressing through the system. Think of it like this: when you mail a package, there's often a period where tracking shows "label created" but no movement - same concept here. The IRS receives thousands of returns daily and processes them in large batches, not individually. Your return is likely sitting in a digital queue waiting for its batch to be processed. Once they start working on your batch, you'll see transaction codes appear quickly - usually TC 150 (return processed), followed by any credit codes, then TC 846 (refund issued) with your actual deposit date. Since you filed 2 weeks ago, you're still well within the normal 21-day processing window. The "as of date" will continue changing (sometimes daily, sometimes weekly) until processing begins, but these changes don't indicate any problems with your return. I always tell my clients to check once a week max - daily checking just increases anxiety without providing useful information. Your refund is coming!

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Mateo Warren

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Thank you so much for the professional perspective! This is incredibly reassuring to hear from someone who deals with this regularly. The package tracking analogy really helps put this in perspective - I never thought about it that way but it makes total sense. I filed about 10 days ago and have been checking my transcript daily (guilty as charged!), but I'm going to take your advice and switch to weekly checks. It's so helpful to know that the changing "as of date" is actually a sign that things are moving through the system rather than something to worry about. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain the process step by step with the transaction codes - now I know what to look for when my transcript finally updates!

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Lucas Parker

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I'm going through this exact same situation right now! Filed on February 26th and my transcript has been showing nothing but that "as of date" for over two weeks now. It's been changing from 03/03 to 03/10 to 03/17, and I was starting to think something was seriously wrong with my return. Reading through all these responses has been such a huge relief - I had no idea this blank transcript thing was so common! Last year I remember seeing transaction codes pretty quickly, so this year's complete silence had me really worried. It's frustrating how the IRS system gives you zero indication of what's actually happening behind the scenes. You're just left staring at a blank screen wondering if your return disappeared into some digital void. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences, especially the tax professionals who explained the batch processing system. I think I need to stop my daily transcript checking obsession and try to be more patient. At least now I know that the changing "as of date" is actually a good sign that things are moving through the system!

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Jabari-Jo

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@Lucas Parker I m'in the exact same boat as you! Filed February 24th and have been obsessively checking my transcript multiple times a day - it s'become like a weird compulsion at this point. Seeing nothing but that as "of date changing" around has been driving me absolutely crazy. Like you, I remember last year having transaction codes show up much faster, so this year s'blank screen has had me convinced I did something wrong or my return got lost. Reading all these responses has been such a lifesaver - I honestly thought I was the only one dealing with this! It s'wild how many people are going through the exact same thing right now. The tax professional s'explanation about batch processing really helped me understand what s'actually happening. I m'definitely going to try to break my daily checking habit too - maybe we can both aim for once a week instead! Thanks for posting this, it really helps to know we re'all in this waiting game together.

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