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An important detail that nobody has mentioned yet - when your company recalculates the Annual Lease Value, make sure they use the REDUCED value for the ENTIRE calendar year, not just from the point they make the correction. My company initially only applied the new lower value from July onward (when I brought it to their attention) but the IRS rules clearly state the redetermination applies for the whole year. Had to have another conversation with payroll to get them to apply it retroactively to January. Also worth noting - if you're still with the same employer and using the same car in 4 more years, you'll get ANOTHER recalculation at the 8-year mark. The value keeps stepping down as the car ages.
Great question about leased vehicles! Yes, the 4-year recalculation rule absolutely applies to employer-provided leased vehicles too. The IRS doesn't distinguish between owned and leased vehicles for Annual Lease Value calculations - what matters is that you're receiving the personal use of a company vehicle as a fringe benefit. Your employer should still recalculate the Annual Lease Value based on the current fair market value of the specific vehicle you're driving, even though they don't own it. The fact that it shows up on your W-2 confirms they're treating it as a taxable fringe benefit under the ALV method. The recalculation should reflect what that particular car (with its current mileage, condition, and age) would be worth if you were to purchase it today, not the original lease value or what the company pays in lease payments. This often results in significant savings since leased vehicles typically depreciate just like owned vehicles. Make sure your HR/payroll team understands this applies to leased vehicles - some companies mistakenly think the lease situation changes the rules, but it doesn't according to IRS Publication 15-B.
This is really helpful clarification! I've been in a similar situation with a leased company vehicle and my HR department kept insisting that because it was leased, different rules applied. They said they couldn't recalculate because they "don't know what the car is worth since we don't own it." Sounds like I need to push back on this and show them that the ownership vs. lease distinction doesn't matter for ALV calculations. Do you happen to know if there's a specific section in Publication 15-B that addresses leased vehicles directly? Having that reference would really help when I go back to them with this information. It's frustrating because I'm in year 6 of using the same leased vehicle and they've never done a recalculation. Based on what everyone's saying here, I'm probably missing out on significant tax savings!
I've been following this thread closely as someone who works in retirement planning, and I wanted to add a few practical points that might help with your decision-making process. First, regarding the recharacterization timeline - while you have until your tax filing deadline, many brokerages need 2-3 weeks to process recharacterization requests, especially during busy tax season. So don't wait until the last minute if you go that route. Second, I'd suggest calculating your estimated quarterly taxes for the remainder of the year given your income jump. The IRS safe harbor rules mentioned earlier are crucial - paying 110% of last year's tax liability (since you'll likely exceed $150k AGI) can protect you from underpayment penalties even if your income increases dramatically. Finally, consider opening a Solo 401(k) instead of or in addition to a SEP-IRA. As a consultant, you can contribute both as employer and employee, potentially allowing higher contribution limits than a SEP-IRA in some cases. Plus, Solo 401(k)s don't interfere with backdoor Roth conversions the way SEP-IRAs do. The income volatility you're experiencing is becoming the new normal for many professionals. Having a systematic approach like the buffer strategy mentioned above, combined with quarterly tax and contribution reviews, will serve you well in future years.
This is incredibly helpful professional insight! The timeline warning about recharacterization processing is exactly the kind of detail I needed to know - I definitely don't want to get caught in a last-minute rush during tax season. Your point about Solo 401(k) vs SEP-IRA is really intriguing. I hadn't considered that option, but if it allows higher contribution limits AND doesn't interfere with future backdoor Roth strategies, that sounds like it could be the best of both worlds for my situation. Do you happen to know if there are any downsides or complexities with Solo 401(k)s that I should be aware of before exploring that route? The quarterly estimated tax calculation is definitely on my urgent to-do list now - with income jumping from $162k annually to potentially $480k, I'm sure I'm way behind on what I should have paid. The 110% safe harbor rule gives me a clear target to aim for. Thanks for the systematic approach perspective too - it's clear I need to get more organized about managing these financial planning elements proactively rather than reactively!
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of documenting your income timeline for the IRS. Since your eligibility changed mid-year due to landing new clients, keep records of when those contracts were signed and when payments actually started. This documentation can be helpful if the IRS ever questions the timing of your contributions versus your income changes. Also, given your dramatic income increase, you might want to consider maxing out other tax-advantaged accounts first before worrying about the Roth situation. With $40k monthly income, you could potentially max out a Solo 401(k) ($69,000 for 2024), which would significantly reduce your MAGI and might actually bring you back within Roth contribution limits. The math works like this: $480k gross income minus Solo 401(k) contribution minus business expenses minus self-employment tax adjustments could potentially get your MAGI low enough that you don't need to recharacterize at all. It's worth running those numbers before you make any moves with your existing Roth contributions. Sometimes the solution isn't fixing the "problem" but rather changing other variables in the equation!
one thing nobody mentioned - a lot depends on which states r involved!! some states r SUPER aggressive about claiming residents (looking at u California and New York) while others barely care. where r u now and where u thinking of going?? that makes a huuuge difference in how careful u need 2 be!!
This is so true! I moved from Ohio to California temporarily and California tried to claim me as a resident even though I was only there for 4 months. Meanwhile, I've had friends work in Wyoming for almost a year and their home states didn't care at all.
You're smart to think about this ahead of time! One important thing to add - even if you maintain residency in your home state, you'll still need to be aware of the temporary state's rules for non-residents earning income there. Some states have "convenience of employer" rules where they'll tax remote work income even if you're just temporarily present. Also, consider setting up a paper trail that shows your intent to return home. Keep paying bills at your parents' address (even if it's just a small utility or subscription), maintain memberships in local organizations, keep your car registered in your home state, etc. The more ties you maintain, the stronger your case for keeping your original state residency. And definitely keep that detailed calendar someone mentioned - not just for tax purposes, but because if you do need to file as a part-year resident anywhere, you'll need to know exactly how much income was earned in each state during your time there.
Great advice about the paper trail! I'm just starting to research this whole situation and hadn't thought about things like keeping memberships or subscriptions tied to my home address. Quick question - for the "convenience of employer" rules you mentioned, does that apply even if I'm unemployed and just job hunting? Or is that only if I'm working remotely for a company while temporarily in another state?
I'm wondering whether the company match counts towards the annual 401k contribution limit? Like if the limit is $22,500 for 2025, does the employer match count against that or can I still contribute the full amount myself?
The $22,500 limit (for 2025) only applies to YOUR contributions, not your employer's match. There's a separate, much higher total limit that includes both employee and employer contributions - it's $69,000 for 2025, or 100% of your compensation, whichever is lower. So you can still contribute your full $22,500 regardless of how much your employer matches!
This is a great question that trips up a lot of people! The "401k co match" line on your paycheck is definitely showing you the employer contribution - it's money your company is adding to your retirement account, not taking from your pay. One thing I'd add to the other helpful responses: keep an eye on your contribution percentage to make sure you're getting the maximum match available. Many employers have a "vesting schedule" too, which means you might not be 100% entitled to that match money until you've worked there for a certain period (usually 2-6 years). The vesting info should be in your plan documents. Also, that $95 match suggests you're probably contributing a decent amount yourself - just make sure you understand whether your company matches dollar-for-dollar up to a certain percentage, or if they have a different formula. It's worth reviewing your benefits package annually to make sure you're maximizing this free money!
This is really helpful context about vesting schedules - I had no idea that was even a thing! Is there a way to find out what my company's vesting schedule is if I can't locate my benefits documents? I've been at my current job for about 18 months and now I'm worried I might not actually own all of that match money if I were to leave.
Luis Johnson
You're absolutely correct that loan repayments aren't taxable income - you're just getting your own money back. And unfortunately, these repayments can't be counted toward EITC since they're not "earned income" from work. Just wanted to add one important point that others haven't mentioned: if you're lending money to family members regularly, it's smart to keep simple records even for interest-free loans. A basic written note stating the loan amount, date, and repayment terms can save you headaches if the IRS ever questions large deposits in your bank account. Also, if your brother ever can't pay you back, having documentation helps if you need to claim it as a non-business bad debt deduction. Nothing fancy required - even a simple text message thread discussing the loan terms could work as documentation.
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Landon Flounder
ā¢That's really good advice about keeping records even for small family loans. I never thought about how random large deposits might look suspicious to the IRS later. A simple text message thread is actually a great idea - it's documentation that happens naturally when you're coordinating the loan anyway. Question though - if I have multiple loans out to different family members, should I keep separate records for each one? Like if I lend $1000 to my sister and $2000 to my cousin, do I need to track those separately or can I just keep a general "family loans" record?
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Mateo Gonzalez
ā¢Definitely keep separate records for each loan - it makes everything cleaner if you ever need to prove the details to the IRS. Even something simple like a notes app on your phone with entries like "Sister loan: $1000, 1/15/2024" and "Cousin loan: $2000, 2/10/2024" works great. The reason is that if the IRS questions a specific deposit, you want to be able to show exactly which loan it relates to. If you lump everything together as "family loans," it gets messy trying to match specific repayments to specific loans. Plus, if one person defaults and you want to claim a bad debt deduction, you need clear records for that particular loan amount. I learned this from a friend who got audited - having separate documentation for each loan made the whole process much smoother.
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Connor Byrne
Great question! You're absolutely right - loan repayments are not taxable income since you're just getting your own money back. The IRS doesn't consider this "new" income. Regarding EITC, loan repayments unfortunately can't count as earned income. The EITC specifically requires income from employment, self-employment, or certain disability benefits. Since loan repayments aren't wages or earnings from work, they don't qualify. One tip: even though this was an informal family loan, consider keeping some basic documentation (even just text messages about the arrangement) in case you ever need to explain large deposits to the IRS. It's not required, but it can save headaches if questions come up later. If you had charged your brother interest, only that interest portion would be taxable income - but since it sounds like this was interest-free, there's nothing to report on your taxes at all.
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Alicia Stern
ā¢This is really helpful clarification! I'm new to understanding how personal loans work with taxes, and it's reassuring to know that getting my money back won't create a tax burden. Just to make sure I understand - if someone pays me back a loan in multiple installments over several months, each payment is still just considered getting my own money back, right? It doesn't matter if it's one lump sum or spread out over time? And thanks for the tip about documentation. I actually do have text messages where my brother and I discussed the loan amount and when he'd pay it back, so sounds like I'm covered there.
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