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22 Just an FYI - I called the EFTPS customer service line (not the IRS) at 1-800-555-4477 and they were able to tell me exactly which form to select for my CP128. Only took about 10 minutes on hold. Sometimes the EFTPS folks are more helpful than the IRS for these specific payment questions.
6 Thank you for this suggestion! I never thought about calling EFTPS directly. Did they give you any specific advice about what to put in the comments section?
Yes, they told me to include the notice number (CP128), the tax period it relates to, and my SSN or EIN depending on whether it's personal or business. They emphasized that the notice number is the most critical piece for proper payment application. The EFTPS rep also mentioned that their system flags payments with notice numbers for special handling, which helps ensure it gets routed correctly within the IRS.
I've been through this exact situation with a CP128 notice last year. The key thing that finally worked for me was calling the EFTPS helpline directly at 1-800-555-4477 rather than trying to reach the IRS. They walked me through the correct form selection based on what type of tax the penalty was related to. For my situation (employment tax penalty), I had to select Form 941, but the EFTPS rep emphasized that it really depends on the underlying tax type shown on your CP128 notice. They also told me to include three things in the comments: the CP128 notice number, the tax period, and my EIN. The payment posted correctly within a few business days, and I received confirmation that it was applied to the right penalty. Much easier than the hours I spent on hold with the IRS!
This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar CP128 situation right now. When you called the EFTPS helpline, did they ask you to read them specific information from your notice, or were they able to help just based on you mentioning it was a CP128? I want to make sure I have everything ready before I call.
As someone who just started their first full-time job, this thread has been absolutely invaluable! I was literally googling "FED MWT EE meaning" yesterday and getting those same confusing mixed results that the original poster mentioned. Having it clearly explained as Federal Withholding Tax Employee finally makes everything click. I love how this community breaks down these intimidating tax codes into plain English. The pre-payment concept really helps me understand why the amount varies each pay period too - it's not some random calculation, it's actually based on that specific paycheck's income. I'm definitely going to use the IRS Withholding Estimator that several people mentioned. I got a pretty large refund last year (around $900) and had no idea I was essentially giving the government an interest-free loan. That money could have been going toward my student loans or building up my emergency fund instead! Planning to review my W-4 with HR next week. Thanks everyone for making this such a welcoming place for newcomers to ask what might seem like "obvious" questions. This is exactly the kind of practical financial education I wish they had taught us in school!
Welcome to the working world! It's so refreshing to see new workers taking the initiative to understand their paystubs rather than just accepting the deductions blindly. You're absolutely right that this kind of practical financial education should be taught in school - I wish I had learned about tax withholdings before getting my first paycheck! Your plan to use the IRS Withholding Estimator and review your W-4 is spot on. That $900 refund you mentioned could definitely be put to better use throughout the year, especially for student loans or emergency savings. Even if you just adjusted your withholding to reduce that refund by half, you'd have an extra $450 spread across your paychecks to work with. One small tip from someone who learned this recently: when you do talk to HR about your W-4, ask them to walk you through the new form if you haven't filled one out since the redesign a few years ago. The new W-4 is much more straightforward but can be confusing if you're expecting the old allowances system. This community really is great for these practical questions - don't ever hesitate to ask about something you're unsure about, no matter how basic it might seem!
This has been such an enlightening thread! I'm about 8 months into my first professional job and have been wondering about FED MWT EE on my paystub this whole time. Like so many others here, I was too embarrassed to ask HR what seemed like it should be basic knowledge. Now that I understand it's Federal Withholding Tax Employee - essentially my federal income tax being taken out each paycheck - everything makes so much more sense. I've been getting refunds around $1,300 each year and always thought that was great, but reading about how that's basically an interest-free loan to the government was a real eye-opener. I'm planning to use the IRS Withholding Estimator this weekend and schedule time with our payroll department to review my W-4. It would be amazing to have that extra money available throughout the year instead of waiting for tax season, especially since I'm trying to build up my emergency fund and pay down some credit card debt. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this community makes these confusing financial topics so much more approachable for those of us still learning the ropes!
Andre, your experience sounds so similar to mine when I first started working! That feeling of being "too embarrassed to ask" about what seems like basic knowledge is something I think most of us can relate to. It's amazing how much clearer everything becomes once someone explains these codes in plain English. Your plan to redirect that $1,300 refund toward your emergency fund and credit card debt is really smart. Even if you only adjust your withholding to reduce the refund by $800-900, that's an extra $65-75 per month you could be putting toward those financial goals instead of waiting for a lump sum once a year. When you're paying credit card interest, having that money available sooner rather than later makes a real difference. One thing I learned when I updated my W-4 was to be conservative with the first adjustment - you can always tweak it further if needed after a few pay periods. Better to still get a small refund than accidentally under-withhold and owe money at tax time. This thread really has been incredible for breaking down these intimidating payroll concepts. It's so reassuring to see how many of us have had the exact same questions and confusion!
This is definitely a common issue and you're right to be concerned about it! The mismatch between federal and state withholding statuses happens because many states haven't updated their withholding forms to align with the federal W-4 redesign from 2020. Here's what likely happened: Your employer correctly processed your federal withholding as "Married" based on your W-4, but your state may still be using an older system that defaults to "Single" when a separate state withholding form isn't completed. The good news is that "Single" withholding at the state level typically means MORE tax is being withheld from each paycheck, not less. So you've probably been overwithholding on state taxes, which should result in a larger state refund when you file. However, I'd still recommend: 1. Contact your HR department to request your state's specific withholding form and update it to match your federal status 2. Run a quick tax projection to see your actual liability for both federal and state 3. Consider adjusting your withholding for the remainder of the year if needed With your combined income of $94,000, you're likely in a good position, but it's always better to fix these things sooner rather than later. The overwithholding at the state level should help offset any potential underwithholding at the federal level.
This is such a helpful breakdown! I had no idea about the 2020 federal W-4 redesign causing issues with state forms. That explains so much about why this seems to be happening more frequently lately. One quick question - when you mention running a "tax projection," are there any free tools you'd recommend for that? I'm not super comfortable with tax calculations and want to make sure I'm looking at this correctly before talking to HR. Also, should I be worried about any penalties if the federal underwithholding ends up being significant? We've always gotten refunds in the past, but with both of us working now our situation has changed quite a bit from previous years.
For free tax projection tools, the IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator on their website (irs.gov/W4App) that's pretty reliable for federal taxes. For state projections, most state tax websites have similar calculators, though they're not always as user-friendly. I've also heard good things about some of the tools mentioned earlier in this thread - taxr.ai seems to handle both federal and state calculations together, which might be easier than juggling multiple calculators. Regarding penalties - the IRS generally won't penalize you if you owe less than $1,000 when you file, or if you've paid at least 90% of the current year's tax liability (or 100% of last year's liability, whichever is smaller). Since you've historically gotten refunds and are likely overwithholding at the state level, you're probably in good shape. But it's definitely worth running those numbers to be sure! The fact that you're catching this now rather than at tax time next year puts you way ahead of most people who discover these issues too late to fix them.
I just went through this exact same situation a few months ago! Like others have mentioned, the mismatch is usually because your employer processed your federal W-4 correctly but didn't have you fill out a separate state withholding form, so they defaulted to "Single" for state taxes. Here's what I learned: Being withheld as "Single" for state taxes actually means you've been paying MORE in state taxes each paycheck than you needed to. So while it might seem scary at first, you'll likely get a nice state refund to help offset any federal underwithholding. I'd definitely recommend talking to HR about getting the correct state withholding form filled out. Most states have their own version of the W-4, and it only takes a few minutes to complete. Even though we're partway through the year, fixing it now will help with your remaining paychecks and prevent this confusion next year. The silver lining is that this "mistake" probably worked in your favor - you've essentially been making extra state tax payments all year that you'll get back as a refund!
This is exactly what I needed to hear! I was so worried that I'd been massively under-paying somewhere and would get hit with a huge tax bill. It's such a relief to know that the "Single" state withholding actually means I've been paying MORE, not less. I'm definitely going to talk to HR on Monday about getting the state form filled out correctly. Do you know if there's any specific name I should ask for? Like is it called a state W-4 or does it have a different name? I want to make sure I ask for the right thing so I don't confuse our payroll person. Also, did you end up getting a bigger state refund than expected when you filed? I'm curious how much of a difference it actually made in your situation.
The form name varies by state, but most commonly it's called a "State Withholding Allowance Certificate" or "[State Name] Withholding Form." Some states do call it a state W-4. When you talk to HR, you can just say "I need to update my state tax withholding to match my federal filing status" - they'll know exactly what form you need. In my case, I ended up with about $800 more in state refund than I was expecting! The difference was pretty significant because I'd been overwithholding for about 10 months. It definitely helped balance out the small amount I owed on the federal side. One tip: when you fill out the state form, make sure your withholding elections match your actual filing intentions. If you and your husband file jointly, make sure both your federal and state withholding reflect that same status going forward.
This is a great discussion and really helpful for understanding gift tax valuation timing. I'm dealing with a similar situation where I'm planning to gift some ETF shares to my son, but I'm wondering about one additional wrinkle - what happens if the shares are in a taxable brokerage account that requires a medallion signature guarantee instead of just notarization? My broker is telling me I need to go to a bank or credit union to get this medallion guarantee, and they're saying it might take a few days to process once I submit everything. Does the valuation date become when I get the medallion guarantee, when I submit the completed forms to my broker, or when the broker actually processes the transfer? I'm trying to time this around some earnings announcements that might move the stock price significantly, so getting the valuation date right is crucial for staying under the annual exclusion limit.
Great question about medallion signature guarantees! I had to deal with this exact situation when gifting some mutual fund shares last year. The medallion guarantee is just a verification requirement - it doesn't change the fundamental rule about when the gift is complete. The valuation date should still be when you submit the fully completed transfer forms to your broker, assuming the medallion guarantee is already on the documents at that time. So you'd want to get the medallion guarantee first, then submit everything to your broker on your chosen valuation date. The key is that you need to have done everything required of you to complete the transfer on the date you want to use for valuation. If the medallion guarantee is missing when you submit to your broker, then the gift isn't really "complete" from your end yet. My advice would be to get the medallion guarantee done first (maybe a day or two before your target date), then submit the completed package to your broker on the day you want as your valuation date. The broker's processing time after that doesn't affect the valuation.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a CPA and wanted to add one important point that hasn't been fully addressed - documentation is absolutely critical for gift tax valuation dates, especially when market volatility is involved. Beyond just keeping your mailing receipt or broker confirmation, I always advise clients to create a simple written record that includes: (1) the exact date you mailed/delivered the transfer documents, (2) the stock's closing price on that date, (3) the exact number of shares being gifted, and (4) the calculated total value. Print out the stock quote from that date and staple it to your records. This becomes especially important if the IRS ever questions your valuation date during an audit. Having contemporaneous documentation showing you calculated the gift value based on the date you relinquished control (rather than trying to reconstruct it later) provides much stronger support for your position. Also, for anyone getting close to the annual exclusion limits, consider making the gift earlier in December rather than late in the year. This gives you more flexibility if market movements put you over the limit - you'd still have time to make additional planning moves before year-end if needed.
This is excellent advice about documentation! As someone who went through an IRS audit a few years back (unrelated issue), I can confirm that having contemporaneous records makes all the difference. One thing I'd add - if you're using online brokerage platforms, take screenshots of both the stock price AND your account showing the pending transfer on the date you submit everything. I learned this the hard way when trying to reconstruct values months later and finding that historical data wasn't as easily accessible as I thought it would be. The December timing tip is brilliant too. I made a gift on December 29th last year and spent the whole holiday weekend stressed about whether a last-minute price jump would push me over the limit. Starting earlier in December would have given me so much more peace of mind and flexibility to adjust if needed.
Chloe Martin
Just wanted to share my success story! I was probably going to lose about $3,400 of our refund to my husband's defaulted student loans, but after finding out through the TOP line, I filed Form 8379 (Injured Spouse) since the debt was from before our marriage. It took a bit longer to process, but I got my portion of the refund untouched! It's definitely worth checking before you file so you can prepare the right forms from the beginning rather than having to amend later.
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QuantumQuasar
Thanks everyone for all this helpful information! As a fellow military spouse, I really appreciate the specific advice about Form 8379 - that's exactly the kind of detail that could save us a lot of headache. I'm definitely going to try the TOP number first since it seems like the most straightforward approach. Quick question though - for those who've called, what time of day did you find worked best to get through? We're currently stationed overseas so I want to time it right to avoid the longest hold times. Also, does anyone know if the TOP system shows state-level offsets or just federal ones?
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Sean Flanagan
ā¢Great question about timing! I've found early morning (around 8-9 AM EST) tends to work best for the TOP line - fewer people calling then. As for your question about state vs federal offsets, the TOP system primarily shows federal offsets (student loans, child support, federal tax debt, etc.). State tax offsets are handled separately by each state's system, so you'd need to contact your state's tax agency directly for those. Since you're military and move frequently, definitely check with both your home state and any states where you've been stationed recently - sometimes old state tax issues can surprise you!
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