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Yuki Kobayashi

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of keeping detailed records beyond just usage logs. As someone who went through an S-Corp audit a few years back, the IRS auditor wanted to see not just percentages, but actual evidence of business necessity. For cell phones specifically, they asked for things like: business contact lists showing client calls, screenshots of business apps used regularly, email records showing business communications, and even call logs if available. The more you can demonstrate that the phone is genuinely essential for business operations, the stronger your position becomes. Also, if you're buying a high-end phone like the latest iPhone, be prepared to justify why that level of device is necessary for your business. A basic smartphone might be easier to defend than a $1200+ flagship model. The IRS sometimes questions whether premium features are truly business-necessary or just personal preferences. The key is building a paper trail that tells a consistent story about legitimate business use. Documentation is your best friend if you ever get audited!

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Saleem Vaziri

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This is incredibly valuable advice, thank you! I never would have thought about keeping screenshots of business apps or documenting client contact lists. That makes total sense from an audit perspective - they want to see actual evidence, not just percentages on paper. Your point about justifying the iPhone purchase is something I'm definitely concerned about. I went with the latest model mainly because my old phone completely died and I needed something reliable for business calls and emails. But you're right that a $1200 phone might be harder to defend than a basic model. Would it help if I can show that I need features like better camera quality for documenting work sites or enhanced security features for business apps? I'm definitely going to start building that paper trail now rather than scrambling later if an audit happens. Better to be overprepared than caught off guard!

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Yuki Yamamoto

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As a tax professional who's helped numerous S-Corp clients navigate these exact issues, I want to emphasize something that's been touched on but bears repeating: consistency and documentation are absolutely critical. The mixed advice about deducting 100% of the purchase but only 80% of monthly bills is indeed problematic. The IRS expects logical consistency in your deductions. If you determine through proper tracking that your business use is 80%, then both the initial purchase and ongoing service should reflect that same percentage. Here's what I recommend for S-Corp owners specifically: 1. **Track usage for at least 90 days** - Keep a detailed log of business vs personal calls, texts, and data usage. This creates your baseline percentage. 2. **Document business necessity** - As others mentioned, maintain records showing why you need the phone for business: client contact lists, business apps, work-related communications. 3. **Consider the reimbursement approach** - Have your S-Corp reimburse you for the business portion under an accountable plan rather than taking it as a shareholder deduction. This is cleaner from a tax perspective. 4. **Be reasonable about the device cost** - If you're buying premium equipment, document why those features are necessary for your specific business operations. Remember, the goal isn't to maximize deductions at all costs - it's to take legitimate business deductions that you can confidently defend if questioned. The peace of mind is worth more than squeezing out a few extra percentage points that might trigger scrutiny.

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Amina Diallo

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This is exactly the kind of professional guidance I was hoping to find! Your point about the 90-day tracking period is really helpful - I was thinking maybe a month would be enough, but you're right that a longer period would give a more accurate picture of actual usage patterns. I'm particularly interested in your recommendation about the accountable plan approach. My current accountant suggested just deducting it as a business expense, but what you're describing sounds much cleaner and more defensible. Would this require setting up formal policies within the S-Corp, or is it something that can be handled with proper documentation and reimbursement procedures? Also, regarding the premium device justification - my business does require me to take photos for documentation and I'm often working in areas with poor cell coverage where I need a reliable device. Would these be considered legitimate business reasons for choosing a higher-end phone over a basic model? Thanks for taking the time to provide such detailed professional advice - it's making me much more confident about handling this correctly!

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NebulaNova

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@Yuki Yamamoto Your guidance about the accountable plan approach really caught my attention. I m'dealing with a similar situation with my S-Corp and my accountant has been suggesting the direct deduction method. Could you elaborate on what specific documentation would be needed to implement the reimbursement approach properly? Also, I m'curious about the timing - if I already purchased the phone this year but want to switch to the accountable plan method, is it too late to restructure how I handle the deduction, or can I still set this up for the current tax year? The 90-day tracking recommendation makes a lot of sense too. I ve'been estimating my business usage but haven t'been keeping detailed records. Better to start now and have solid documentation moving forward!

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Jayden Reed

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This is exactly the type of complex partnership tax issue that trips up so many small business owners! Based on your description, you're dealing with a classic scenario where the partnership has legitimate business expenses that just happen to be non-deductible for tax purposes. A few additional considerations that haven't been fully addressed yet: 1. **Documentation is crucial** - Make sure you have detailed records showing these expenses were ordinary and necessary for the business, even though they're non-deductible. This helps if you ever face an audit. 2. **Consider the timing** - Some of these expenses might be partially deductible. For example, if your meals were business meals, 50% should still be deductible. Make sure you're not treating the entire amount as non-deductible. 3. **State implications** - Don't forget that some states have different rules for these expenses. What's non-deductible federally might have different treatment at the state level. 4. **Cash flow planning** - Since you're essentially paying tax on money you spent on non-deductible expenses, factor this into your quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The basis reduction issue mentioned by others is particularly important for your future loss deduction capacity. Given that you're expecting potential losses next year, you might want to consider making additional capital contributions before year-end to maintain adequate basis for loss deductions. Have you considered whether any of these expenses might qualify for different treatment under IRC Section 162 vs. other sections?

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Javier Torres

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Great comprehensive breakdown! Your point about timing and partial deductibility is spot on - I made that exact mistake initially by treating 100% of business meals as non-deductible when 50% should have remained deductible. One thing I'd add to your state implications point: some states actually allow full deductibility of meals and entertainment expenses even when they're limited federally, which can create interesting book-tax differences that need to be tracked separately on state returns. @8874eed33957 Your mention of IRC Section 162 is interesting - are you thinking about the ordinary and necessary business expense test? I'm wondering if some expenses that seem non-deductible at the partnership level might actually qualify for different treatment if they meet specific criteria under that section. Also, regarding the cash flow planning aspect - this is huge! We got hit with underpayment penalties our first year because we didn't factor in the tax on these "phantom income" situations where you pay tax on money that went to non-deductible expenses.

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Lena Kowalski

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Great discussion here! I'd like to add one more perspective that's been really helpful for our partnership. We discovered that maintaining a detailed "basis tracking spreadsheet" throughout the year has been invaluable, not just for tax preparation but for making business decisions. Our spreadsheet tracks each partner's beginning basis, adjustments for income/losses, capital contributions, distributions, and most importantly - the impact of non-deductible expenses. This gives us a real-time view of each partner's ability to deduct losses and helps us plan distributions strategically. One thing that surprised us was how certain partnership debt can actually increase your basis and offset some of the reduction from non-deductible expenses. Under the at-risk and passive activity rules, this becomes particularly important if you're in a consulting partnership like yours where income can be variable. Also, regarding the meals issue - make sure you're not missing the new 100% deduction for business meals that was temporarily available for 2021-2022. While it's back to 50% now, there might be some carryover effects depending on when your expenses were incurred. For your $5,200 in non-deductible expenses, I'd strongly recommend running scenarios for how this affects each partner's basis and future loss deduction capacity, especially given your expectation of potential losses next year from equipment purchases. The interaction between basis limitations and equipment depreciation can create some unexpected tax planning opportunities.

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CosmicCrusader

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This basis tracking spreadsheet idea is brilliant! @ede23eb59764 Do you have a template you could share or recommend? I'm realizing we've been flying blind on basis calculations and it's probably going to bite us when we try to deduct losses next year. Your point about partnership debt affecting basis is really intriguing. We're considering taking on equipment financing for some new computers and software licenses - would that type of debt typically increase our basis? And if so, does the timing of when we take on the debt matter for this year's basis calculations? Also, I'm curious about your mention of depreciation creating tax planning opportunities. Are you referring to bonus depreciation or Section 179 elections? We hadn't considered how the interaction between basis limitations and equipment purchases might actually work in our favor. This whole thread has been eye-opening about how complex partnership taxation really is. I'm definitely going to need to get our CPA situation sorted out before we make any major equipment purchases!

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Congrats on seeing the 846 code! That's definitely the light at the end of the tunnel. I've been through this process a few times and can confirm what others are saying - once you see 846, you're basically guaranteed to get your refund within 1-5 business days. In my experience, most direct deposits hit around 2-3 AM, so check your account first thing Monday morning. The date on your transcript (03/22) is more of a "by this date" rather than an exact date, so you might even see it earlier. Just make sure your banking info is exactly what you put on your return - I learned that the hard way one year when a small name variation caused a rejection. But assuming everything matches, you should be golden! The hardest part is definitely the waiting game once you know it's coming.

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Connor Richards

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@Astrid Bergstrรถm Thanks for the detailed breakdown! This is my first time dealing with tax transcripts and the whole process has been pretty overwhelming. It s'really helpful to know that the 03/22 date is more of a by "this date rather" than exact - I was starting to worry that nothing would happen until Friday. The 2-3 AM timing tip is great too, I ll'definitely check first thing Monday morning instead of staying up late Sunday night refreshing my banking app! Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here, makes this whole waiting period much less stressful.

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GamerGirl99

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This thread is so helpful! I just checked my transcript after seeing this post and found code 846 with a date of 03/24/2024. I've been waiting for my refund for almost 8 weeks now, so seeing that code finally appear is such a relief. Based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like I should expect the direct deposit within the next few days. I'm with Bank of America - has anyone had experience with how quickly they process IRS refund deposits? I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high, but after all this waiting, I'm cautiously optimistic that this nightmare is almost over!

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@GamerGirl99 Congrats on finally seeing the 846 code! 8 weeks is such a long wait, I can imagine how relieved you must be. I don't have personal experience with Bank of America specifically, but from what I've read in other tax communities, most major banks process IRS deposits pretty quickly - usually within 24-48 hours of receiving them. The good news is that once the IRS sends it out (which they've already done based on your 846 code), the bank processing time is typically the shorter part of the wait. With a 03/24 date, you'll probably see it early next week! The hardest part is behind you now.

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Noah Lee

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Don't forget about the "recapture" when you eventually sell! I learned this lesson the hard way. When you sell a rental property, you'll have to "recapture" all that depreciation you've been taking over the years and pay taxes on it (at a rate up to 25%). Even if you don't actually claim the depreciation on your tax returns, the IRS will treat it as if you did when you sell, so you might as well take the deduction. Just be prepared for that tax bill down the road when you sell. Something to consider in your long-term planning.

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Ava Hernandez

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Is there any way to avoid the depreciation recapture? Like maybe doing a 1031 exchange into another property? My parents are facing this issue with a rental they've had for 30 years, and the potential tax bill is massive.

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Ev Luca

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A 1031 exchange can defer the depreciation recapture, but it doesn't eliminate it permanently. When you do a like-kind exchange, the depreciation recapture gets transferred to the new property along with your basis. So you're essentially kicking the can down the road until you eventually sell without doing another exchange. For your parents' situation with 30 years of depreciation, a 1031 exchange could make sense if they want to stay in real estate investing. They could exchange into a property that generates better cash flow or is in a more desirable location. Just keep in mind there are strict timing requirements (45 days to identify replacement property, 180 days to close) and the properties have to be of "like kind" for investment purposes. Another strategy some people use is holding until death, since the heirs get a "stepped-up basis" that eliminates the recapture issue entirely. But that obviously requires never selling during your lifetime.

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Sophia Carson

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Great discussion here! As someone who went through this conversion process a few years ago, I can confirm what others have said about using the lower of adjusted basis or FMV at conversion time. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you're tracking your depreciation carefully each year, even if you can't currently deduct the losses due to passive activity limitations. The IRS requires you to reduce your basis by the depreciation you're "allowed or allowable," so even if the losses are suspended, you still need to calculate and track the annual depreciation. I use a simple spreadsheet to track my original basis, improvements, annual depreciation, and accumulated depreciation. This becomes crucial when you eventually sell the property for calculating gain/loss and depreciation recapture. It's much easier to maintain good records from the start than trying to reconstruct everything years later! Also, don't forget about the possibility of qualifying for the $25,000 rental loss allowance if your income drops below the phase-out thresholds in future years due to job changes, retirement, etc.

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Ava Martinez

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This is such valuable advice about tracking depreciation even when losses are suspended! I'm just starting out with my first rental property and hadn't thought about the long-term record keeping implications. Quick question - when you mention tracking "improvements" in your spreadsheet, does that include things like replacing appliances that came with the property? For example, if the refrigerator breaks and I replace it, is that an improvement that increases my basis, or just a repair/maintenance expense? I want to make sure I'm categorizing things correctly from day one. Also, do you have any recommendations for organizing receipts and documentation? I'm already accumulating a lot of paperwork and want to stay organized for potential audit purposes down the road.

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Lavonne Craft

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I have a client who owes tax debt for 2022-2024 for $13000, and I am trying to prepare an OIC for them as Doubt of Collectability, as well as a low-income certification. Tax liability is SE due to being a freelance writer on Schedule C who is unmarried, has no car or any assets, and only made $10875.00 this year. Her grandfather helps her pay her half of the utilities and helps with other things she needs since she isn't paid regularly. This is my first one, and after entering all the income for the RCP, it only shows 336 future income. I was wondering what a reasonable offer should be. Since it is a Schedule C, I would send 6 months of bank statements, correct?

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Ravi Gupta

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Based on your client's situation, an offer around $336-500 would be reasonable since your RCP calculation shows $336 in future income and minimal assets. For someone making $10,875 annually with no significant assets, this falls well within acceptable parameters for Doubt as to Collectibility. A few important points for your first OIC: 1. Yes, include 6 months of bank statements for Schedule C income - the IRS wants to see the irregular income pattern that's typical for freelancers. 2. Document the grandfather's assistance carefully. Since he's helping with utilities and necessities, make sure to show this isn't "income" to your client but genuine family support for basic living expenses. 3. The low-income certification is smart here - with income at $10,875, she likely qualifies and this waives the application fee and initial payment requirements. 4. Consider going slightly above your RCP calculation (maybe $400-450) to show good faith and account for any minor assets or income the IRS might value differently than you did. 5. Include a detailed hardship letter explaining how the irregular freelance income makes it impossible to maintain consistent payments, and how family assistance is necessary just for basic survival. The key is showing that even your minimal offer represents her true ability to pay given the circumstances. Good luck with your first OIC!

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Ravi Choudhury

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This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I needed! Thank you for breaking it down so clearly. I'm particularly grateful for the tip about documenting the grandfather's assistance - I hadn't thought about how to properly characterize family help versus income. One quick follow-up question: when you mention going slightly above the RCP calculation to show good faith, is there a risk of offering too much? I want to be fair to my client but also don't want to lowball the IRS and get an automatic rejection. Is there a general rule of thumb for that "good faith" buffer amount? Also, should I include documentation of her irregular freelance payments (like copies of 1099s or client payment records) to support the income volatility argument, or are the bank statements sufficient?

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