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Emma Wilson

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Don't overthink this - just report it as "Other Income" on Schedule 1 and move on with your life. It's not self-employment income since you weren't actively involved in the business, and it's not a gift since there was an expected return. The key with situations like this is to make a reasonable, defensible choice and be consistent. The last thing you want is to get creative with tax reporting and then have to explain yourself later. People get in trouble with the IRS when they try to get too clever with borderline cases. Reporting as other income is straightforward, accurate, and won't raise any red flags.

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I've been through something very similar and can share what I learned after consulting with a tax professional. The key factor is that you provided money with a clear expectation of return based on performance - this makes it an investment arrangement, not a gift. Here's what I'd recommend: Report this as "Other Income" on Schedule 1, Line 8z. You don't need Schedule C unless you're regularly in the lending business. The amount isn't subject to self-employment tax since you weren't actively participating in the house flipping business itself. A few important considerations: Make sure you keep records of when you provided the money and when you received the return, as this could affect whether it's treated as short-term or long-term investment income. Also, if your friend issues you any tax forms (like a 1099), make sure your reporting is consistent with whatever he files. The "gift" route is risky because the IRS looks at substance over form - a payment that's exactly 25% of profits clearly shows an investment arrangement rather than generosity. Better to report it correctly as investment income and avoid any potential issues down the road.

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Don't forget that tithes and offerings aren't the only church-related expenses that can be deductible! If you drive as a volunteer (like delivering meals for church outreach or driving for youth events), you can deduct mileage at the charitable rate (14 cents per mile I think). Also, if you buy supplies for church activities and aren't reimbursed, those count too.

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QuantumQuest

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Is that charitable mileage deduction separate from the standard deduction? Or would I still need to be itemizing to claim it?

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You would still need to be itemizing to claim charitable mileage deductions. All charitable deductions, including mileage for volunteer work, are part of your itemized deductions on Schedule A. So if your total itemized deductions (charitable donations, mileage, mortgage interest, property taxes, etc.) don't exceed the standard deduction, you wouldn't benefit from claiming the mileage. Just to clarify - the charitable mileage rate for 2024 is actually 14 cents per mile, so you had that right! Make sure to keep a log of your volunteer driving with dates, destinations, and mileage for proper documentation.

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As someone who's been navigating church donations and taxes for years, I'd recommend keeping detailed records throughout the year rather than scrambling at tax time. I use a simple spreadsheet to track all my church giving - date, amount, and method of payment. For your $1300 in donations, make sure you have proper documentation. For any single donation of $250 or more, you'll need a written acknowledgment from the church (not just a bank record). The acknowledgment should state the amount, date, and confirm whether you received any goods or services in return. Also consider the "bunching" strategy others mentioned - if you're close to the itemization threshold, you might donate two years' worth in one year to exceed the standard deduction, then take the standard deduction the following year. This way you get tax benefits every other year instead of never. Given that you're already at $1300 with more of the year left, you might be closer to this strategy working than you think!

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Carmen Lopez

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This is really helpful advice! I'm just starting to think seriously about tracking my giving for tax purposes. Quick question about the $250 rule - if I give $50 every week through the church's online system, do I need written acknowledgment for each $50 donation, or can the church provide one annual statement that covers all my giving for the year? Also, when you mention "bunching," how do you decide which year to bunch the donations in - is there a strategy for timing it right?

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Just to add to what everyone's saying - even if you only worked 3 weeks, if you received ANY pay, it counts as taxable income for 2024. The IRS matches up employer reports with your tax return, so they'll definitely notice if something's missing. Better to report everything upfront than deal with notices later. If you haven't received the W-2 by early February, you can file Form 4852 as a substitute, but try contacting your old employer first.

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This is super helpful info! I didn't know about Form 4852 - that's good to know as a backup option. Thanks for breaking it down so clearly @Oliver Wagner šŸ™

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Jamal Carter

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Thanks everyone for the helpful advice! I'm definitely going to wait for the W-2 from my short-term job and report all income. Better safe than sorry with the IRS. Really appreciate all the responses - this community is awesome for getting real answers about tax stuff šŸ‘

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Chloe Harris

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Totally agree @Jamal Carter! This community has been so helpful for navigating tax questions. I'm in a similar boat with some freelance work from last year and all these responses really cleared things up for me too. It's reassuring to know there are knowledgeable people here willing to share advice 😊

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Noah Lee

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Just wanted to share my experience since I went through something very similar last year. After my employer kept delaying my W2, I ended up using both approaches mentioned here - first tried taxr.ai to calculate what my W2 should look like, then used Claimyr to actually talk to an IRS agent about filing Form 4852. The taxr.ai tool was surprisingly accurate and helped me understand all those hidden components that affect Box 1 (like imputed income from life insurance and company benefits). When I finally got my actual W2 months later, it matched their calculation almost exactly. But what really saved me was getting through to the IRS quickly with Claimyr. The agent explained that employers have until January 31st to provide W2s, and after that they can face penalties. She walked me through Form 4852 and said I could file it immediately rather than waiting indefinitely for an unresponsive employer. Given how long your wife's employer has been dragging this out, I'd definitely recommend the Form 4852 route. You can always file an amended return later if needed, but at least you won't miss any filing deadlines while waiting for a company that clearly doesn't have their act together!

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive approach I was looking for! Having both the calculation tool and the direct IRS contact option gives me confidence we can move forward regardless of what this employer does (or doesn't do). It's reassuring to hear that the taxr.ai calculations were so accurate for you - that gives me more confidence in trying it out. And knowing that an IRS agent can walk you through the Form 4852 process removes a lot of the intimidation factor I had about filing a substitute form. You're absolutely right about not missing filing deadlines because of an irresponsible employer. We've already wasted too much time waiting for them to get organized. I'm going to start with the calculation tool this weekend and then probably call the IRS early next week to discuss Form 4852 if we need to go that route. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly what I needed to hear to feel confident about moving forward!

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Darcy Moore

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I've been following this thread and just wanted to add one more potential source of Box 1 discrepancy that hasn't been mentioned yet - educational assistance benefits! If your wife's employer provided any tuition reimbursement, student loan payments, or other educational assistance over $5,250 during the year, the excess amount becomes taxable income that gets added to Box 1. Also, if she received any achievement awards, length of service awards, or other employee recognition gifts worth more than $1,600 total for the year, those would also be included as taxable income. These types of benefits often don't show up clearly on regular pay stubs but can significantly impact the Box 1 calculation. Given all the complexity everyone has outlined here, I'm definitely in the camp of using the tools mentioned (taxr.ai for calculation, Claimyr for IRS contact) rather than trying to manually figure this out. Your wife's employer sounds incredibly unprofessional, and you shouldn't have to put your tax filing on hold because they can't do basic administrative tasks. Good luck getting this resolved!

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Lucas Parker

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Wow, educational assistance benefits is another great point I hadn't considered! My wife did participate in some kind of professional development program through her employer, though I'm not sure if it exceeded the $5,250 limit. That could definitely be another piece of the puzzle. It's honestly mind-blowing how many different factors can affect Box 1 that aren't obvious from just looking at a pay stub. Between all the potential sources mentioned in this thread - pre-tax deductions, life insurance benefits, moving expenses, parking allowances, disability premiums, educational assistance, and achievement awards - it's clear that manually calculating this is way more complex than I initially thought. I'm definitely going to go with the tool-based approach now. This thread has convinced me that trying to figure it out manually would probably just lead to more errors and frustration. Really appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge and experiences - this has been incredibly educational and will definitely help us get our taxes filed properly despite this employer's complete lack of professionalism!

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Sean Doyle

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm someone who occasionally plays poker at my local card room and I had no idea about the 300x rule for tournament withholding. One thing I'm still confused about though - let's say I play cash games regularly and over the course of a year I have some big winning sessions and some losing sessions. Do I need to track every single session, or just my net result for the year? Like if I win $800 one night and lose $600 the next night, how granular do I need to get with my record keeping? Also, does anyone know if there are any mobile apps specifically designed for tracking gambling wins/losses? Keeping a spreadsheet sounds smart but I know I'll forget to update it if I have to do it manually every time. Something that could track location, date, and amounts would be perfect for someone like me who plays regularly but not professionally. Thanks to everyone who's shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice you can't find on the IRS website!

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Aaron Boston

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Great question about cash game tracking! You definitely need to track each session individually, not just net results. The IRS expects detailed records showing dates, locations, amounts won/lost per session, and types of games played. So yes, you'd need to log that $800 win and $600 loss as separate entries. For mobile apps, I've heard good things about "Poker Income Bankroll Tracker" and "GamblingTracker" - both let you quickly log sessions with date, location, game type, and win/loss amounts. Some people also just use simple note-taking apps or even voice memos right after sessions to capture the details, then transfer to a spreadsheet later. The key thing the IRS cares about is that you can prove your losses if audited. They want to see contemporaneous records (meaning recorded close to when the gambling occurred), not something you recreated from memory months later. Even a simple notebook where you jot down details right after each session would work better than trying to reconstruct everything at tax time. Also remember - even in cash games, if the card room reports any of your winnings to the IRS (which can happen with tournament prizes or jackpots), you'll definitely want your detailed loss records to offset those reported wins!

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This is such a comprehensive discussion! As someone who's been dealing with gambling taxes for a few years now, I wanted to add one more scenario that trips people up - what happens when you gamble across state lines. I live in Nevada but sometimes play at casinos in California and Arizona. Each state has different tax rules, and you might end up owing taxes to multiple states on the same winnings. Nevada has no state income tax, but if I win big in California, they'll want their 13.3% even though I'm not a CA resident. The good news is most states give you credit for taxes paid to other states, so you usually don't get double-taxed. But the paperwork can get complicated fast, especially if you're winning in multiple states throughout the year. Also, something I learned recently - if you're a frequent traveler for gambling, keep receipts for travel expenses. While casual gamblers can't deduct these, if you're approaching professional gambler status (which several people mentioned above), travel to gambling locations can become a legitimate business expense. Just make sure you meet all those IRS criteria for professional vs. recreational gambling that Nia outlined earlier! The record-keeping advice everyone's giving is spot on. I use a simple smartphone app to log everything immediately after each session, and it's saved me thousands in properly documented deductions over the years.

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This is really helpful information about multi-state gambling taxes! I had no idea that you could owe taxes to states where you don't even live. So if I understand correctly, if I live in Texas (no state income tax) but win $20,000 at a casino in Louisiana, I'd have to file a Louisiana non-resident tax return and pay their state taxes on those winnings? Also, when you mention smartphone apps for logging sessions - do you have a specific recommendation? I've been looking at some of the apps mentioned earlier in this thread, but it would be great to hear from someone who's actually been using one successfully for multi-state gambling. Does the app you use help with tracking which state each win/loss occurred in? That seems like it would be crucial for sorting out the tax obligations later. One more question - you mentioned travel expenses potentially being deductible for professional gamblers. What about hotel comps and other freebies that casinos give you? If I'm staying at a casino hotel for free because of my play level, does that create any additional tax complications, or is it just treated like any other comp?

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