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Luis Johnson

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Thanks for all the helpful responses everyone! I'm feeling much more confident about this now. Just to make sure I understand the process correctly: 1. Make the two credit card payments first (through approved payment processors) 2. Wait 1-2 days for them to process and show up in my IRS account 3. Use Direct Pay for the remaining balance One follow-up question - when I'm making the credit card payments, do I need to specify which tax form they're for? I filed a 1040 with a Schedule C, so I want to make sure the payments get applied to the right place. Also, is there a way to check online that all my payments have been properly applied before the deadline? The reward calculation definitely makes sense for my situation since I'm working toward a signup bonus on one card and have a 2% cashback card for the other payment. Even with the processing fees, I'll come out ahead.

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Aria Park

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Yes, you'll need to specify the tax form when making credit card payments - make sure to select Form 1040 for both payments. The Schedule C income is reported on your 1040, so that's the correct form to choose. For checking payment status, you can use the IRS "View Your Account Information" tool on their website or call the automated payment line at 1-888-353-4537. It usually takes 1-2 business days for payments to show up there. You can also check right in the Direct Pay system before making your final payment - it should show your account balance after the credit card payments have been processed. Sounds like you've got a solid plan with those signup bonuses and 2% cashback! Just make sure to keep all those confirmation numbers handy until you see everything reflected correctly in your IRS account.

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Just wanted to chime in with my recent experience doing exactly this! I had a $6,200 tax bill last month and used two credit card payments of $2,000 each, then paid the remaining $2,200 through Direct Pay. A few practical tips from my experience: - Make sure you're using the official IRS-approved payment processors for credit cards (PayUSAtax, Pay1040, or Official Payments). Don't use any third-party sites that aren't listed on the IRS website. - Keep your browser open and take screenshots of each confirmation page immediately. I learned this after my first payment confirmation email got delayed by several hours. - The Direct Pay system is really user-friendly and will show you your updated balance after the credit card payments post, which took about 36 hours in my case. One thing I wish I'd known ahead of time - if you have a business checking account, you can also use that for Direct Pay as an additional option if needed. Might be helpful if you hit any daily limits on your personal account. The whole process was much smoother than I expected, and getting those credit card rewards definitely made the convenience fees worth it!

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This is exactly the kind of detailed walkthrough I was hoping to find! Thanks for sharing your real experience with the process. Quick question - when you say it took 36 hours for the credit card payments to post, was that over a weekend or during regular business days? I'm trying to time this right since my deadline is coming up soon and I want to make sure I leave enough buffer time. Also, I didn't know about being able to use a business checking account for Direct Pay - that's a great backup option to keep in mind. Did you end up needing to use that or did your personal account work fine for the remaining balance?

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I had this exact same confusion when I first saw the DD code on my W2! It's one of those things that seems like it should be important for your taxes but actually isn't. I spent way too much time trying to figure out if I could somehow use that amount for tax planning. One thing that helped me understand it better was realizing that this reporting requirement was added relatively recently (around 2012) as part of the Affordable Care Act. The government wanted better visibility into healthcare costs, so now employers have to show the total value of the health benefits they provide. It's actually pretty interesting to see the full cost breakdown - I had no idea my employer was contributing so much toward my health insurance premiums. Makes you appreciate that benefit a lot more when you see the real numbers!

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That's such a good point about the ACA reporting requirement! I had no idea this was a relatively recent addition to W2s. It explains why so many people (myself included) are confused by it - we're not used to seeing this information there. It really is eye-opening to see the employer contribution amount. I always knew they helped pay for insurance but seeing the actual dollar figure makes you realize just how significant that benefit is. Definitely changes how I think about my total compensation package. Thanks for that historical context - it helps everything make more sense!

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Amara Okafor

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This is such a common source of confusion! I work in HR and we get questions about Box 12a DD all the time during tax season. Just to reinforce what others have said - this is purely informational and represents the total cost of your employer-sponsored health coverage for the year. One thing that might help put this in perspective: this amount often surprises people because it shows what health insurance actually costs when you see both portions combined. For example, if you pay $200/month through payroll deductions and your employer pays $800/month, you'd see $12,000 in Box 12a DD ($1,000 x 12 months). The key thing to remember is that you can't do anything actionable with this number for tax purposes - it's not deductible, it's not taxable income, and it doesn't affect your retirement contribution limits. It's just the government's way of tracking healthcare spending across the economy. Hope this helps clarify things!

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Mary Bates

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Just want to point out that depending on the type of business entity, there might be restrictions on which accounting method is allowed. C-corps with over $27 million in gross receipts generally must use accrual. Also, certain types of businesses like those with inventory often have specific requirements.

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That's a really good point. OP, what type of entity is your client? And what's their annual revenue? That might change the advice people are giving you.

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This is definitely a tricky situation, but you're right to be concerned about fixing it properly. From my experience, the key question is whether the difference between what you reported (using accrual numbers) versus what cash basis would have shown is material. If we're talking about significant differences in taxable income, then amending is really your safest bet. The IRS takes accounting method consistency seriously, and having a mismatch between your declared method and actual reporting can cause issues down the road, especially if audited. One thing to consider is the timing - if you're still within the statute of limitations for amendment, it's better to proactively fix this rather than hope it doesn't come up later. I'd recommend calculating what the cash basis numbers would have been and comparing the tax impact. If it's material, bite the bullet and amend. If it's relatively minor, you might have more flexibility, but document your reasoning either way. Have you looked into whether your client meets any of the requirements that would actually require them to use accrual method? Sometimes what seems like a mistake might actually point to a method change that was needed anyway.

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Yuki Ito

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This is excellent advice about checking the materiality of the difference first. I'm curious though - when you say "document your reasoning either way," what specific documentation would you recommend keeping in the client file? Should we prepare a memo explaining the decision process even if we decide not to amend? Also, regarding the requirements for accrual method - are there any online resources or tools that can help quickly determine if a client should be required to use accrual based on their business type and revenue? I want to make sure I'm not missing any obvious red flags that would make this situation more complicated than it already is.

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Eva St. Cyr

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Let me add a wrinkle most people don't know - if you distributed any business assets to yourself during the dissolution (like computers, furniture, etc.), that needs to be reported as a liquidating distribution on your final 1120-S. The corporation is treated as having sold these assets to you at fair market value. I completely messed this up when closing my S-corp and ended up having to amend returns. Cost me an extra $400 in accounting fees!

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Do you know if this applies to intangible assets too? Like if the business owned trademarks or domain names that I'm keeping personally?

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Darcy Moore

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I went through this exact same situation with my S-corp dissolution last year and want to emphasize something that might save you some headaches - make sure you also cancel your EIN with the IRS after everything is filed and processed. Even after filing all the final returns (1120-S, Form 966, etc.) and getting state dissolution completed, I kept getting IRS notices asking about missing tax returns for subsequent years because the EIN was still active in their system. You have to specifically write to the IRS requesting EIN cancellation and include copies of your dissolution documents. Also, if you had any business bank accounts, credit cards, or merchant services tied to your EIN, close those ASAP. Some banks will report 1099s to closed business EINs which can trigger more IRS correspondence down the road. The penalty situation sucks, but as others mentioned, first-time penalty abatement is usually granted if you've been compliant in the past. Get everything filed immediately to stop the bleeding, then deal with penalty relief afterward.

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This is really helpful advice about the EIN cancellation! I had no idea that was a separate step. Do you happen to know what address or department at the IRS you need to write to for EIN cancellation? And roughly how long it took for them to process your request? I'm worried about getting those phantom tax return notices you mentioned - that sounds like exactly the kind of bureaucratic nightmare I'm trying to avoid by handling everything properly upfront.

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Jabari-Jo

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Has anyone used TurboTax to file with a Section 475(f) election in place? I made the election last year but I'm not sure if the software handles it correctly.

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I used TurboTax last year with my MTM election and it was honestly a bit of a mess. The software doesn't have a specific section for Section 475(f) elections. I had to manually override a bunch of stuff and enter everything as ordinary income on Schedule C. Then I had to attach a statement explaining what I was doing. I'd recommend using a more specialized tax software or getting professional help.

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I went through this exact same confusion last year! You're right that the IRS publications are incredibly unclear about this. To answer your questions directly: 1) Yes, your original Section 475(f) election from last year is still valid for 2024 and all future years until you formally revoke it. You don't need to resubmit anything. 2) For your 2023 tax return (filing in 2024), you'll report all your trading activity on Schedule C as ordinary income/loss, not Schedule D. The MTM election treats you as marking all positions to market on December 31st. One important thing to double-check: make sure you're keeping good records of your December 31st position values, since you'll need to report the difference between your actual realized gains/losses and what the positions were worth at year-end. This can get tricky if you held positions overnight on December 31st. Also, don't forget that as a trader with the MTM election, you can deduct business expenses (home office, equipment, education, etc.) that regular investors can't deduct. But you'll also potentially owe self-employment tax on your net trading income. The election staying in effect automatically is actually one of the few trader-friendly aspects of the tax code!

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Ezra Beard

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This is super helpful, thank you! I'm new to all this tax stuff and have been really confused about the MTM election. One question - when you mention marking positions to market on December 31st, does that mean I need to calculate the unrealized gain/loss on every single position I held overnight? That sounds like it could be a nightmare with hundreds of trades throughout the year. Also, regarding the self-employment tax - is that on the entire net trading income or just the portion above a certain threshold? I'm trying to figure out if the tax benefits of deducting business expenses will outweigh the additional SE tax burden.

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