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Marilyn Dixon

Why am I suddenly getting hit with an underpayment penalty when nothing changed? (US)

For the past several years, I've consistently ended up having to pay additional taxes when filing my returns in April. Usually it's somewhere between $13,000-$26,000 depending on the year. I should mention that my income has been steadily increasing over this period since a good portion of my compensation comes from stock awards/RSUs. Despite always owing money at tax time, I've never been charged an underpayment penalty before. This year is different though. Using the same tax software I always use, it's showing that I owe an underpayment penalty on top of the $15,000 in taxes I need to pay. What's confusing me is that my income has basically stayed the same as last year - no significant changes. My total federal tax liability for the year is around $80,000, and my withholding was about $65,000, leaving the $15,000 difference that I need to pay. Can someone explain why I'm suddenly getting hit with this penalty when my situation hasn't really changed from previous years? Is there something different about the 2025 tax rules that I missed? Any insight would be appreciated!

The underpayment penalty typically kicks in when you don't pay enough taxes throughout the year. The IRS expects you to pay taxes as you earn income, not just at filing time. There are a few specific thresholds that trigger the penalty: You generally need to pay at least 90% of your current year tax liability OR 100% of your prior year tax liability (this increases to 110% if your AGI was over $150,000) through withholding and estimated payments to avoid the penalty. Even though your income stayed flat, there are several possible explanations for why you're seeing the penalty now when you didn't before: 1. Your withholding pattern might have changed - if more of your income came later in the year 2. The IRS might have been more lenient in previous years due to COVID relief measures that have now expired 3. Your prior year tax liability might have increased, raising the safe harbor threshold 4. You might have had a large one-time payment (like stock vesting) without corresponding tax withholding To avoid this going forward, you could increase your W-4 withholding at work or make quarterly estimated tax payments to cover the shortfall.

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Marilyn Dixon

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Thanks for the explanation. I didn't realize the 90%/100% rule. I think what might have happened is that my prior year liability went up significantly, and I didn't adjust my withholding enough to match. Do you know if there's any way to get the penalty waived since I've been consistent with my payments and this is my first time facing this?

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Yes, there are ways to potentially get the penalty reduced or removed. The IRS does offer a waiver if the underpayment was due to casualty, disaster, or other unusual circumstance where imposing the penalty would be against equity and good conscience. First-time penalty abatement is also available if you had no penalties in the prior three tax years and met your filing obligations. You can request this waiver by filing Form 2210 with your return and attaching a statement explaining your situation. You could emphasize your consistent payment history and that this is your first time encountering this situation. Some tax software has options to help with this request.

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TommyKapitz

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After dealing with similar issues for years, I finally found taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it completely changed my approach to tax withholding. I was constantly getting surprised at tax time because of my RSUs and bonus structure, and traditional calculators weren't accounting for everything properly. What I like about taxr.ai is that it analyzes your actual pay stubs and tax documents to give you a much more accurate picture of your current withholding situation and can help you make adjustments before you get hit with penalties. It pointed out that my stock compensation wasn't being withheld at the correct rate, which was causing me to consistently underwithhold. For someone in your situation with variable stock-based compensation, it might be worth checking out to prevent this from happening again next year.

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How exactly does it work with stock compensation? My company withholds some taxes when my RSUs vest, but it never seems to be enough. Does the tool actually tell you how much to withhold specifically for equity compensation?

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Payton Black

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. Most of them just use the same basic withholding calculator formulas. What makes this one any different from the free IRS withholding estimator? Does it actually handle the quarterly estimated payment calculations too?

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TommyKapitz

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For RSUs specifically, it analyzes your vesting schedule and supplemental withholding rates to pinpoint where the shortfall is happening. Companies often withhold at a flat 22% rate for supplemental wages under $1 million, but if you're in a higher tax bracket, that's not enough. The tool will recommend exactly how much additional withholding you need on your regular paychecks to cover the difference. Regarding the difference from the IRS calculator, taxr.ai actually looks at your real pay stubs and tax documents rather than just asking for estimates. It accounts for timing of income throughout the year, which is crucial for determining if you'll face underpayment penalties. And yes, it handles quarterly estimated payments - it will tell you exactly how much to pay each quarter based on your income pattern to avoid penalties.

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After seeing the recommendation, I tried taxr.ai for my own situation with RSUs and bonuses. I was honestly blown away by how much better it was than just using the IRS withholding calculator. I uploaded my last paystub and a few tax documents, and it immediately showed me why I was heading for an underpayment penalty this year - my company was withholding at the standard 22% supplemental rate for my RSUs, but I'm in the 35% bracket. The tool calculated exactly how much additional withholding I needed on my regular paychecks to make up the difference. What really impressed me was that it created a personalized withholding plan that accounted for my irregular income schedule. Definitely worth checking out if you're dealing with stock compensation and trying to avoid penalties.

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Harold Oh

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Harold Oh

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Payton Black

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Summer Green

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This happened to me too! The key thing to understand is that the safe harbor rules changed slightly after all the COVID relief expired. During COVID years, the IRS was much more lenient with underpayment penalties. What fixed it for me was adjusting my withholding at work by submitting a new W-4. Instead of trying to be precise, I just added a specific additional amount to be withheld from each paycheck (Line 4c on the W-4 form). I took what I owed last year, added a bit more as a buffer, then divided by the number of pay periods remaining in the year. Also definitely look into first-time penalty abatement if this is your first time getting hit with the penalty!

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Gael Robinson

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Does adjusting your W-4 really work if a lot of your income is from stock? My regular salary withholding seems fine, but when my RSUs vest, the company only withholds like 22% which isn't enough for my tax bracket.

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Summer Green

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Adjusting your W-4 absolutely works for addressing under-withholding from stock compensation. The key is to use line 4c on the W-4 form to specify an additional dollar amount to withhold from each regular paycheck to make up for the shortfall from your RSUs. Yes, companies typically withhold only 22% for supplemental wages like RSUs (up to $1 million), which is the standard supplemental withholding rate. If you're in a higher tax bracket, that creates a shortfall. The solution is to calculate that expected shortfall for the year and distribute it across your regular paychecks through the additional withholding amount on line 4c.

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Just wanted to mention that the underpayment penalty rules changed slightly after the TCJA (Tax Cuts and Jobs Act) as well. It used to be that you could avoid the penalty by paying 90% of your current year tax OR 100% of your prior year tax (110% if your AGI was over $150k). Under TCJA, they briefly adjusted the 90% threshold down to 80% for one tax year, but then it went back to 90%. Some taxpayers got confused by this temporary change and didn't realize it reverted back. Also, the IRS uses a quarterly assessment for underpayment - meaning they look at when you made payments throughout the year, not just the total by end of year. If you made a lot of money early in the year but your withholding was more evenly distributed, that could trigger a penalty even if previous years didn't.

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Darcy Moore

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Wait so they actually look at each quarter separately? I thought they just cared about the total amount withheld by the end of the year. What if most of my stock vests in Q4? Does that mean I should be making estimated payments earlier in the year even though the income hasn't hit yet?

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