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Quick question for the group - does anyone use any specific tax software that handles day trading well? I tried using TurboTax last year and it was a nightmare with all my trades!
I've had good experiences with TradeLog for tracking trades and then importing to TaxAct. Much better than TurboTax for active traders and way cheaper than paying an accountant to sort through thousands of trades.
This is such a common confusion for new traders! I went through the exact same thing when I started trading full-time. The key thing to understand is that your LLC structure doesn't change the fundamental tax treatment of trading profits - they're still considered capital gains, not business income subject to self-employment tax. However, I'd strongly recommend getting professional help to navigate this properly. As others mentioned, while your trading profits won't be subject to SE tax, you need to be careful about separating any other business activities (like if you start offering trading courses or signals). Also, make sure you're tracking all your trading-related expenses properly - home office, equipment, data feeds, etc. can all be deductible. One thing to keep in mind for next year: if you do qualify for TTS, you'll want to make that election by the filing deadline. It won't change the SE tax situation, but it will give you better expense deductions and allow you to deduct trading losses above the $3k capital loss limit. Definitely start making quarterly estimated payments based on your expected annual profits - the IRS doesn't care that you're not paying SE tax, they still want their income tax!
This is really helpful! I'm just starting out with day trading and had no idea about the TTS election deadline. When exactly do I need to make that election - is it by April 15th of the following year, or is there a different deadline? And do I need to have been trading for a full year before I can elect TTS, or can I make the election based on partial year activity? Also, you mentioned tracking trading-related expenses - are there any specific records I should be keeping beyond just receipts? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly from the start.
As someone who just went through this exact same confusion last month, I can confirm what everyone here is saying is correct! I was getting completely different numbers depending on which online calculator I used, and it was driving me crazy. What finally helped me was finding the actual IRS Publication 560 that someone mentioned earlier. There's a worksheet on page 18 that walks through the calculation step by step. It's basically: Schedule C net profit β subtract half of SE tax β multiply by roughly 20% (or more precisely, divide by 1.25 then multiply by 0.25). For my $75,000 Schedule C profit, I subtracted about $5,300 (half SE tax) to get $69,700, then calculated 20% of that for a max contribution of about $13,940. The key insight for me was realizing this isn't just some random tax rule - it's designed to put us self-employed folks on equal footing with employees who have employer 401k contributions. Once I understood the reasoning, the calculation made so much more sense. Thanks to everyone who shared their real numbers and experiences - it really helps to see concrete examples rather than just theoretical explanations!
Thank you for mentioning Publication 560! As someone brand new to all of this, having the actual IRS source document is incredibly helpful. I've been relying on various online articles and videos, but knowing there's an official worksheet on page 18 gives me much more confidence. Your real example with the $75,000 Schedule C profit really helps me visualize how this works in practice. I'm planning to download that publication tonight and work through the worksheet with my own numbers. It's reassuring to see yet another confirmation of the same calculation method - starting to feel like I can actually handle this self-employment tax stuff after all!
This has been such a valuable thread to read through! I'm just starting my freelance journey and was completely overwhelmed by SEP IRA calculations. What I love most about this discussion is how everyone eventually arrived at the same answer through different paths - whether calling the IRS, using specialized tools, or consulting with plan administrators. The consistent formula everyone confirmed is: Schedule C net profit β subtract half of self-employment tax β calculate ~20% of that adjusted amount for your maximum SEP IRA contribution. But what really made it click for me was understanding the WHY behind subtracting half the SE tax. Learning that it's designed to make self-employed people equivalent to W-2 employees (who don't pay the employer portion of payroll taxes) totally changed my perspective. It's not just an arbitrary rule - there's real logic behind it. I'm bookmarking this entire thread as my SEP IRA reference guide. Thanks to everyone who shared their real numbers and experiences - seeing actual examples like the $85,000 Schedule C profit examples really helps visualize how this works in practice. As a newcomer, these kinds of detailed discussions with multiple confirmations give me the confidence I need to handle my own retirement contributions correctly!
This thread has been incredibly helpful for me too! As someone who just became self-employed this year, I was completely lost on SEP IRA calculations until I found this discussion. What really stands out to me is how every single approach - whether through the IRS directly, specialized tools, or tax professionals - all confirmed the exact same calculation method. That consistency gives me so much confidence that we're getting accurate information. The breakthrough moment for me was also understanding the reasoning behind subtracting half the SE tax. Knowing it's designed to level the playing field between self-employed folks and W-2 employees makes the whole calculation feel less arbitrary and more logical. I've already downloaded IRS Publication 560 that was mentioned and worked through the worksheet with my own numbers - it matches perfectly with all the examples shared here. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their real experiences and actual numbers. As a newcomer to this world, seeing concrete examples rather than just theoretical explanations makes all the difference in building confidence to handle these calculations myself!
This has been such an educational thread! I'm new to collecting but have been building a vintage watch collection over the past few years. Reading through all these responses has really opened my eyes to the tax implications I hadn't fully considered. One question that comes to mind - for those of us who are active collectors (buying and selling regularly rather than just holding long-term), is there a point where the IRS might consider this a business activity rather than investment/hobby activity? I've been flipping some watches to fund purchases of higher-end pieces, and I'm wondering if that changes the tax treatment from the collectibles capital gains rules we've been discussing to regular business income. Also, @Emily Parker mentioned that short-term capital gains (less than a year) don't get the 28% cap protection - they're taxed as ordinary income at your full marginal rate. For someone in a higher tax bracket, that could mean paying 32% or even 37% on short-term collectible gains, which is significantly higher than the 28% cap on long-term gains. That's a really important distinction for timing sales! Thanks to everyone who mentioned the various tools and resources - I'm definitely going to look into some of the tax calculation tools and record-keeping strategies mentioned here before I make any major sales decisions.
@Layla Sanders You ve'hit on a really important distinction that could significantly impact your tax situation! The IRS does indeed look at whether collecting activity constitutes a business versus investment activity, and it can completely change how your gains are taxed. If the IRS determines you re'running a business frequent (buying/selling for profit, maintaining inventory, spending substantial time on the activity, etc. ,)then your profits would be subject to ordinary income tax rates AND self-employment taxes an (additional 15.3% .)This would actually be worse than even the short-term capital gains treatment you mentioned. The key factors they consider include: frequency of transactions, your expertise in the field, time and effort spent, expectation of profit, and whether it s'your primary source of income. Occasional flipping to upgrade your collection is usually fine, but if you re'doing it regularly and systematically, you might cross into business territory. You re'absolutely right about the short-term vs long-term timing being crucial. I learned this lesson when I sold a vintage Rolex after only 10 months of ownership - ended up paying my full 32% marginal rate instead of the 28% collectibles cap. That extra 4% on a significant gain was painful! Consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in collectibles if you re'actively trading, as the business vs. investment determination can be pretty fact-specific to your situation.
@Layla Sanders @Kaiya Rivera This is such a crucial point about business vs. investment activity! I ve been'wondering about this same issue with my sports memorabilia collecting. I started buying and selling items to fund better pieces for my collection, but now I m worried'I might have crossed into business territory without realizing it. From what I ve read,'the IRS uses something called the hobby vs. "business test, and" one of the key factors is whether you re making'a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years. But even if you re not'profitable, they can still classify it as a business if you re operating'in a business-like manner. @Kaiya Rivera mentioned self-employment taxes on top of ordinary income rates - that s terrifying! An'extra 15.3% plus potentially 37% ordinary income tax could mean paying over 50% on gains instead of the 28% collectibles cap. That s a massive'difference. I think I need to track my activity more carefully and maybe establish clearer boundaries between my collection items held "long-term" and (my trading) items. Has "anyone" here actually dealt with the IRS making this business determination? I d love to'hear about real experiences with this. The timing aspect is definitely something I ll be more'careful about going forward. Thanks for highlighting how expensive that short-term vs. long-term distinction can be!
As someone who's been collecting vintage guitars for over a decade, I wanted to add a perspective on the record-keeping challenges that several people have mentioned. The documentation issue becomes even more complex when you factor in restoration and maintenance costs over many years of ownership. For instruments (and I imagine this applies to other collectibles too), you can potentially add certain improvement costs to your basis - things like professional restoration, new cases, humidity control systems, or even storage facility costs. But you need to distinguish between "improvements" that add value versus regular "maintenance" that just preserves existing value. I learned this the hard way when I sold a 1965 Fender Stratocaster. I had receipts for about $3,000 in professional restoration work over 8 years of ownership, but my accountant told me that some of those costs (like basic setup and cleaning) were maintenance, while others (like refinishing and electronics upgrades) could be added to basis. The distinction saved me several hundred dollars in taxes. Also want to echo what others have said about the business vs. hobby determination - it's really important to be mindful of this if you're actively trading. I deliberately limit myself to selling no more than 2-3 guitars per year to stay clearly in "investment" territory rather than risk being classified as a dealer. The 28% cap has definitely influenced my selling strategy. I try to time major sales for years when my regular income puts me in lower brackets, since every dollar of regular income affects how much of the collectible gain gets taxed at the full 28%.
This is exactly the kind of detailed insight I was hoping to find! @Sean Doyle your point about distinguishing between improvements vs. maintenance for basis calculations is something I never would have thought of. I ve'got a small collection of vintage audio equipment that I ve'had professionally serviced over the years, and now I m'wondering which of those costs I can legitimately add to my basis. The strategic approach you mention about limiting sales to 2-3 items per year to avoid dealer classification is really smart. It sounds like you ve'found a good balance between enjoying the collection and managing the tax implications. Your comment about timing sales for lower income years is brilliant too - I hadn t'considered how my regular income fluctuations could be used strategically with the 28% cap. If I have a lower earning year, more of my collectible gains would be taxed at my lower marginal rate rather than hitting the full 28% cap. Do you happen to know if there are any IRS guidelines that specifically address what constitutes improvements "vs" maintenance "for" collectibles? It seems like this could be a gray area where documentation and reasonable interpretation are key. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience - this thread has been incredibly educational for someone just starting to think seriously about the tax implications of collecting!
18 Has anyone tried bunching their donations? My tax guy suggested I donate 2 years worth in one year so I could itemize, then take the standard deduction the next year. Seems like a hassle but might be worth it if you're donating substantial amounts.
5 I've done this for the past 4 years and it works great! In even-numbered years I donate around $5000 and itemize, then in odd-numbered years I donate nothing and take the standard deduction. You need to plan which charities are okay with this pattern though. Some smaller organizations really depend on consistent annual support.
14 Another strategy worth considering is using a Donor Advised Fund (DAF) if you're planning to donate regularly over several years. You can contribute a larger lump sum in a year when you itemize (getting the full tax deduction), then distribute grants to your favorite charities over multiple years from the fund. For example, if you normally donate $1,300 annually, you could contribute $2,600-$3,900 to a DAF in one year, itemize that year, then make your charitable grants from the fund over the next 2-3 years while taking the standard deduction. Fidelity, Schwab, and Vanguard all offer DAFs with relatively low minimums ($5,000 or less). This gives you more flexibility than the bunching strategy since you're not locked into a rigid every-other-year pattern.
That's a really smart approach! I hadn't heard of Donor Advised Funds before. Do you know if there are any restrictions on which charities you can donate to from a DAF? Also, are there any fees associated with these funds that might eat into the donations? With only $1,300 annually, I want to make sure most of it actually goes to the charities rather than administrative costs.
Sydney Torres
One more thing to consider - make sure you understand the difference between wash sale rules and regular trading losses before you file those amended returns. If you sold a stock at a loss and then bought the same stock (or a substantially identical security) within 30 days before or after the sale, the IRS considers it a wash sale and you can't deduct the loss immediately. This is especially important for active traders who might buy and sell the same stocks multiple times. Robinhood's 1099 should identify wash sales, but it's worth understanding the rules so you don't make the same mistakes going forward. The wash sale rule is designed to prevent people from artificially creating tax losses while maintaining their investment position. Any disallowed losses get added to the cost basis of the replacement shares, so you don't lose the tax benefit permanently - it just gets deferred until you actually exit the position. Since you mentioned you've been actively trading the same types of stocks over multiple years, this could definitely impact your amended returns. Just another reason why working with a tax professional who understands these rules might be worth the investment.
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CyberSamurai
β’This is such an important point about wash sales that I hadn't even considered! I definitely have bought and sold the same stocks multiple times - especially some of the popular ones like Apple and Tesla that I kept going back to. I'm starting to realize this whole situation is even more complex than I initially thought. Between the wash sale rules, different tax rates for short vs long-term gains, and trying to figure out the right forms for three years of amendments, I'm definitely going to need professional help. It sounds like the 1099s from Robinhood should at least identify the wash sales for me, which is a relief. I was worried I'd have to go through every single trade manually to figure that out. Do you know if they also show which gains were short-term vs long-term, or is that something I'll need to calculate based on the dates? Thanks for bringing this up - it's exactly the kind of detail I would have missed and probably gotten wrong on the amended returns.
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Lukas Fitzgerald
β’Yes, the 1099-B from Robinhood will show whether gains/losses were short-term (held one year or less) or long-term (held more than one year). They're required to report this information to help you categorize everything correctly on your tax returns. The form will have separate sections or clearly marked columns showing short-term vs long-term transactions. This makes it much easier to figure out which gains get taxed at ordinary income rates (short-term) versus the more favorable capital gains rates (long-term). What you'll want to pay attention to is the "proceeds" column (what you sold for) and the "cost basis" column (what you paid, adjusted for things like wash sales). The difference between these gives you your gain or loss for each transaction. Since you mentioned being more active in recent years, you'll probably see mostly short-term transactions, which means higher tax rates. But having this information clearly laid out on the 1099-B will make the whole process much more manageable when you're working with your CPA on those amended returns.
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Natalia Stone
I went through almost the exact same situation last year - started trading on Robinhood in 2020, made the same assumption about only paying taxes when withdrawing, and had to file amendments for three years. Here's what I learned that might help: First, don't panic about the penalties. The IRS has a "first-time penalty abatement" policy that can waive penalties if you've been compliant in previous years and this is your first major mistake. I got all my penalties waived just by calling and explaining the situation. Second, the process is actually more straightforward than it seems once you get your 1099s. Robinhood's tax documents are pretty comprehensive - they show all your transactions, wash sale adjustments, and separate short-term vs long-term gains clearly. The hardest part is just getting organized. One tip: when you download your 1099s, also grab your monthly statements for each year. Sometimes having the transaction details helps clarify things if there are any questions. And definitely consider using tax software that handles amendments - I used FreeTaxUSA and it walked me through the whole process. The good news is that depending on your trading results, you might actually get refunds for some years if you had net losses. I ended up owing money for two years but got a refund for the third year that partially offset what I owed. Start with getting those 1099s tonight like others suggested - once you see the actual numbers, the whole situation will feel much more manageable.
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