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Diego Chavez

How can I avoid the tax penalty for underwithholding taxes this year?

I've been reading about the IRS rules for underpayment penalties and I'm a bit confused about my situation. From what I understand, I don't need to pay an underpayment penalty if I've either withheld 90% of current year tax OR 110% of previous year's tax (not just 100% based on my AGI). My situation is getting complicated: - Based on my projections, I'm on track to have withheld about 96% of my previous year's tax. But that only covers about 85% of what I'll owe this year due to income increases. - Even worse, I sold a bunch of company stock options this year, and if I include those gains, I'm only at around 63% of what I'll owe for 2025. - I'm thinking about making an estimated tax payment by December 31st equal to 14% of last year's tax bill, which would get me to that 110% of previous year threshold. If I make this estimated payment before year-end, will I still face any underpayment penalties when I file in April 2025? I'll obviously pay whatever remaining tax I owe when I file, but I'm trying to avoid those penalties if possible. My income jumped quite a bit this year, and those stock sales really changed my tax picture.

You're on the right track with your understanding of the safe harbor rules! The IRS provides these safe harbors to avoid the underpayment penalty: 1) Pay at least 90% of the tax shown on your current year return, OR 2) Pay at least 100% of the tax shown on your prior year return (this increases to 110% if your AGI was over $150,000) Based on what you've described, making that estimated payment by December 31st to reach 110% of your previous year's tax should protect you from any underpayment penalties. Even though you'll only have paid 63% of your actual 2025 tax liability by year-end, meeting the safe harbor of 110% of prior year tax fulfills your obligation. The key is that you only need to meet ONE of the safe harbor provisions to avoid the penalty. Since you're planning to meet the second safe harbor (110% of prior year), you don't need to worry about the 90% current year requirement. Just make sure that payment hits your account by December 31st - don't wait until the last minute!

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Sean O'Brien

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If I'm in a similar situation but my income actually went down this year, would it make more sense for me to aim for the 90% of current year instead of 110% of last year? And do quarterly estimated payments have to be even throughout the year or can I just make one big payment in December?

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If your income went down this year, then yes, it would likely make more sense to aim for the 90% of current year tax rather than 110% of last year. This is because 90% of a smaller tax bill would be less than 110% of last year's larger tax bill. Regarding quarterly payments, the IRS generally expects them to be made in equal installments throughout the year. However, if your income was earned unevenly (like getting a bonus late in the year or selling stocks in Q4), you can use the "annualized income" method on Form 2210 to show that your payments matched when you actually earned the income. If you make one large payment in December without meeting this exception, you might still face some penalties for the earlier quarters.

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Zara Shah

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Luca Bianchi

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Does this actually work for someone who has both W-2 income and significant 1099 consulting income? The withholding calculation gets really messy for me since I have to estimate both.

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I'm suspicious of these tax tools. How does it handle state taxes? I got hit with an underpayment penalty on my state return even though I was fine with federal last year.

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Zara Shah

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It absolutely works for mixed income. I actually have W-2 income plus some side gig 1099 work, and it was able to calculate both together. It analyzes your income streams separately and then combines them for the final recommendation. Regarding state taxes, it handles them separately from federal. Last year it flagged that I was fine on federal safe harbor but potentially at risk for my state taxes, which have slightly different rules. It showed me exactly what I needed to pay for both federal and state to avoid all penalties. The analysis breaks everything down by tax authority.

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Luca Bianchi

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Just wanted to follow up - I ended up trying taxr.ai after posting here and wow, it was exactly what I needed! My situation with multiple income streams was really complex, but it made the calculations super clear. It actually saved me from overpaying by about $2,800 because I was calculating the safe harbor amount incorrectly. It showed me that some of my 1099 income wasn't going to hit until next calendar year based on my client payment patterns, which changed the math significantly. The documentation it provided was super detailed and I feel much more confident now. Really glad I found this before making my year-end payment!

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Nia Harris

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How does this actually work? Sounds kind of impossible that they can just magically get through when the IRS phone lines are constantly jammed...

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Aisha Ali

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Yeah right. This sounds like a scam. I've been trying to reach the IRS for months. If they had a magical way to get through, they'd be charging hundreds for it, not running some service anyone can use.

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Nia Harris

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It works through a combination of technology and persistence. They have automated systems that dial continuously and navigate through the phone menus, essentially queuing up multiple call attempts simultaneously to increase the chances of getting through. Once they reach a human agent, they conference you in. I had the same skepticism initially, which is why I watched their demo video before trying. It's definitely not a scam - they don't ask for any personal tax info or anything sensitive. You just provide your phone number and they call you when they've got an agent on the line. I went from weeks of frustration to actually speaking with someone who answered my specific questions about the safe harbor rules. I was just relieved to get confirmation directly from the IRS about my situation.

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Aisha Ali

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Alright I need to eat my words. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr anyway since I was desperate to talk to someone at the IRS about my underwithholding situation. It actually worked exactly as advertised. I got a call back in about 45 minutes with an IRS representative on the line. The agent confirmed what others here have said - meeting just ONE of the safe harbors is sufficient, and the 110% of previous year rule works regardless of how much your income increased. What was most helpful was that the agent walked me through exactly how to calculate that 110% figure starting with the "total tax" line from my previous return. Turns out I was including some things I didn't need to, which would have caused me to overpay. Not gonna lie, I'm pretty impressed and feel kinda bad for being so dismissive before.

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Ethan Moore

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're married filing jointly, BOTH spouses need to be considered when figuring out if you've met the safe harbor. My wife and I got caught with this last year because we only looked at my withholding and not hers. Also, remember that the 110% rule applies if your AGI was over $150k (or $75k if married filing separately). If your income was under that threshold, you only need to hit 100% of last year's tax.

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Diego Chavez

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Thanks for bringing that up! We are filing jointly, and our AGI was definitely over $150k last year. Do you know if the 110% calculation is based on the "total tax" line from Form 1040? I want to make sure I'm using the right number as my baseline.

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Ethan Moore

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Yes, you want to use the "total tax" amount from line 24 on your 2024 Form 1040. That's the number you multiply by 1.1 to get your 110% safe harbor threshold. Just make sure you're looking at the actual tax amount, not your total payments or the amount you owed/were refunded. Also, when you're calculating what you've paid so far this year, include all federal withholding from both your paychecks and your spouse's, plus any estimated payments you've already made. The total of all these should hit that 110% number by December 31st to be completely safe from penalties.

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Yuki Nakamura

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Don't forget that the 110% safe harbor only applies to federal taxes! States have their own rules. I met the federal safe harbor last year but still got hit with a state underpayment penalty because California requires 90% current year payment regardless of prior year comparison.

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StarSurfer

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This is so important! New York got me last year too because their rules are different. Make sure you check your specific state requirements.

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Leslie Parker

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This is really helpful information - I'm dealing with a similar situation where my income jumped significantly due to a new job and some freelance work on the side. One thing I want to add is that if you're making that estimated payment in December, make sure you use the correct payment method and allow enough time for processing. I learned the hard way that some online payment methods can take a few business days to actually post to your account, especially around the holidays when banks have modified schedules. If you're cutting it close to December 31st, consider using EFTPS (Electronic Federal Tax Payment System) or even mailing a check with enough buffer time. Also, keep really good records of when and how you made the payment. The IRS has specific rules about when payments are considered "made" - generally it's when they receive it, not when you send it (except for mailed payments postmarked by the deadline). The safe harbor rules definitely work as others have described, but the timing piece is crucial to actually getting that protection!

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Freya Larsen

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This is excellent advice about the timing and payment methods! I actually had a close call with this exact issue a couple years ago. I submitted my estimated payment on December 30th thinking I was safe, but it didn't post until January 3rd due to the New Year holiday. Luckily the IRS accepted it since it was submitted before the deadline, but it was stressful waiting to see if it would count. EFTPS is definitely the way to go for peace of mind - it gives you immediate confirmation and a reference number. Plus you can set it up in advance and schedule the payment to go through automatically on a specific date, which takes the last-minute scrambling out of the equation. One more tip: if you're using EFTPS for the first time, you need to register in advance because they mail you a PIN that takes about a week to arrive. So don't wait until December 29th to try to set that up!

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Zainab Ismail

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Great discussion everyone! I'm in a very similar boat - sold some RSUs this year and my withholding is way behind. One thing I wanted to add is about the timing of when you actually recognize the income vs when you make the estimated payment. I learned from my tax preparer last year that if you're selling stock near year-end, the settlement date matters more than the trade date for tax purposes. So if you sell on December 29th but it settles January 2nd, that income actually goes on next year's return. This could affect whether you even need to make that big estimated payment this year. Also, for anyone considering the various tools mentioned here - definitely cross-check any automated calculations with a human tax professional if you're dealing with complex situations like stock options, RSUs, or significant income changes. The safe harbor rules are straightforward in principle, but the actual calculations can get tricky with multiple income sources and timing considerations. The 110% rule will absolutely protect you from penalties if calculated correctly, but getting that calculation right is crucial!

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Anna Stewart

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This is such a great point about settlement dates vs trade dates! I had no idea that could affect which tax year the income falls into. That could potentially save someone from having to make a large estimated payment if they're selling near year-end and the settlement pushes into January. For anyone reading this who's new to stock transactions like I am - does this settlement date rule apply to all types of stock sales, or are there exceptions? I'm planning to sell some company stock options in the next few weeks and want to make sure I understand the timing implications correctly. Also completely agree about double-checking automated calculations with a professional. The safe harbor rules seem straightforward but there are clearly a lot of nuances that could trip someone up, especially with multiple income sources.

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