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Isaiah Sanders

Why am I getting hit with an underpayment penalty on my taxes?

So I'm looking at my tax return for this year and there's a $143 underpayment penalty that's really frustrating me. Last year we got slammed with a $8300 tax bill (totally didn't see it coming - our tax situation changed and we were clueless). After that April surprise, I immediately adjusted my withholding to try to fix things for this year. Fast forward to now, and yes I still owe taxes but it's down to about $4500, which I expected since my income went up and the withholding changes only kicked in from May onwards. But what's with this underpayment penalty?? From what I can tell after reading the IRS explanation, they're basically penalizing me because I didn't pay enough in the first quarter before I updated my withholding. Apparently the government wants tax payments evenly throughout the year? I'll pay everything I owe, obviously, but I never realized WHEN I paid would matter so much. Especially annoying since I made the withholding change specifically to improve my tax situation! Am I understanding this penalty correctly? And more importantly, how do I avoid getting hit with this again next year?

Xan Dae

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The underpayment penalty is definitely frustrating, but you're understanding it correctly. The IRS expects you to pay taxes throughout the year as you earn income, not just at tax time. They use what's called a "pay-as-you-go" system. The penalty gets triggered when you don't pay enough tax during the year through withholding or estimated quarterly payments. Specifically, you generally need to pay at least 90% of your current year tax OR 100% of your prior year tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) through withholding or quarterly payments to avoid the penalty. What likely happened in your case is that your first quarter payments were too low compared to your actual tax liability for that period. Even though you fixed your withholding in May, the IRS still penalizes for the earlier underpayment. For next year, you have a few options to avoid this: increase your withholding even more to cover the shortfall from the beginning of the year, make separate estimated quarterly payments (Form 1040-ES), or ensure your total withholding meets the "safe harbor" provision of paying 100% (or 110%) of last year's tax liability.

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Thanks for the explanation! That makes more sense now, but opens up another question - if I expect to owe again next year (likely because we've had some investment income that isn't getting taxed), would it be better to just make quarterly estimated payments instead of adjusting my W-4 withholding again? And how do I figure out how much to pay each quarter to avoid this penalty next time?

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Xan Dae

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For investment income that doesn't have withholding, quarterly estimated payments often work better than adjusting your W-4. You can use Form 1040-ES to calculate and make these payments. For figuring out the amount, use the worksheet in Form 1040-ES to estimate your total tax for the year, then subtract what will be withheld from paychecks. Divide the remainder by 4 for your quarterly payment amounts. If your income varies significantly throughout the year, you might need to recalculate each quarter using the "annualized income installment method" on Form 2210.

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Thais Soares

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Does it work for situations where you have significant stock sales? My problem is never knowing how much tax to withhold for capital gains that happen randomly throughout the year.

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Nalani Liu

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Idk sounds like another tax prep tool to me. I used TurboTax for years and still got hit with penalties. How is this any different? Does it actually suggest specific withholding numbers for your W-4?

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Yes, it actually works really well for stock sales and capital gains. It has a specific tool for calculating estimated taxes on investment income throughout the year, which helped me when I sold some company stock last quarter. It's definitely different from TurboTax - it's more of a planning tool than tax prep software. It analyzes your specific tax situation and gives you exact numbers to put on your W-4 form, including the additional withholding amount on line 4(c). It also sends alerts when you need to adjust things based on new income events.

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Nalani Liu

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Just wanted to update that I tried taxr.ai after my skeptical comment above. What surprised me is that it showed me exactly why I kept getting penalties despite using TurboTax - turns out I was consistently underestimating my self-employment tax portion and my quarterly payments were way off because of it. The tool pinpointed that I needed to increase my Q1 and Q2 payments specifically because of how my consulting income falls throughout the year. I've adjusted everything according to their recommendations for this quarter, and for the first time in three years, I'm on track to avoid penalties. The withholding calculator actually gave me the exact dollar amount to put on line 4(c) of my W-4, which none of the other tax software ever did.

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Axel Bourke

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Aidan Percy

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How does this actually work? Does it just call the IRS for you or something? Not sure I understand what the service actually does.

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Yeah right. No way this actually works. The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to be impossible. I've tried calling dozens of times about my underpayment penalty and NEVER got through. Even my accountant says it's basically impossible. If this actually works I'll eat my hat.

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Axel Bourke

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It doesn't just call for you - it navigates the IRS phone tree and holds your place in line. When an agent is about to be available, you get a call back so you don't have to stay on hold the whole time. It basically works like those restaurant systems that text you when your table is ready. I was definitely skeptical too! I've spent countless hours trying to reach the IRS myself. But it really did work for me. The system got me through to an actual IRS agent who reviewed my specific penalty situation and helped me understand if I qualified for any exceptions. Obviously I can't guarantee everyone's experience, but it saved me hours of frustration.

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Well I'm back to eat my hat! After posting my skeptical comment, I tried Claimyr out of pure desperation (was facing a $290 underpayment penalty that I thought was calculated wrong). Got a call back with an IRS agent in about 25 minutes. The agent explained that my penalty was actually calculated correctly based on when my income came in during the year, BUT she helped me file for a waiver since this was my first time with an underpayment penalty. She walked me through Form 2210 and how to document that I had a reasonable cause (major change in income halfway through the year that I couldn't have predicted). Saved me the penalty and now I understand exactly how to avoid it next year. Honestly shocked this worked after months of failing to get through on my own.

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Norman Fraser

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Don't forget to check if your state has similar underpayment penalties! I fixed my federal withholding last year but completely missed that my state also charges penalties for underpayment. Got hit with a $75 state penalty even after fixing my federal issues.

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Kendrick Webb

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True! And some states have different rules too. My state (CA) requires higher percentage withholding than federal to avoid penalties. Found that out the hard way.

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Oh wow, I hadn't even thought about state underpayment penalties. Does anyone know if they generally use the same calculation methods as the federal government? I'm in Illinois if that matters.

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Norman Fraser

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Illinois does have underpayment penalties similar to federal. They generally expect you to pay 90% of your tax liability throughout the year or 100% of last year's tax. The one difference I've noticed with Illinois is that they're sometimes a bit more flexible with the waiver process for first-time penalties, especially if you can show you made a good-faith effort to correct the issue mid-year. The IL-2210 form works similarly to the federal one for calculating and potentially reducing the penalty.

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Hattie Carson

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I dealt with this exact issue last year! One thing that helped me avoid another penalty was splitting my withholding unevenly across the year. My payroll department let me front-load my withholding in the first two quarters by putting a much higher amount on line 4(c) of my W-4 form January-June, then I reduced it for the second half of the year. The IRS doesn't care if your withholding is even throughout the year, just that you've paid enough by each quarterly deadline. It's only estimated payments that have to follow their quarterly schedule.

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This is actually really smart! Does this work for all employers or do some not allow you to change your W-4 multiple times per year?

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