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Has anyone actually tried setting up a Roth IRA for a minor? Which companies make this easy? My son is interested but I'm not sure where to start with the actual account setup.
We set one up for our daughter at Fidelity. It was pretty straightforward - it's called a Custodial Roth IRA. You'll need to open it as the parent/guardian since minors can't enter into contracts. You'll need the child's SSN and your ID. The minimum to open was $0 when we did it last year. Charles Schwab and Vanguard offer them too, but I found Fidelity's interface easier to use and they have good educational resources for teens about investing.
Great question! I've been researching this exact scenario for my own kids. The key distinction the IRS makes is between "chores" (which are considered part of normal family responsibilities) and legitimate business activities. For your specific situation with the $20 lawn mowing, if it's just your family's lawn as part of regular household chores, it typically won't qualify as earned income for IRA purposes. However, there are a few ways to make this work legitimately: 1. Help your son start an actual lawn service business where he services multiple properties in the neighborhood, not just yours. This creates genuine self-employment income. 2. If you have a business (even a side business), you could formally employ him to do lawn maintenance, office cleaning, or other legitimate business tasks at reasonable wages. 3. Consider other entrepreneurial opportunities - many teens successfully run small businesses like pet sitting, tutoring younger kids, or selling items they make. The important thing is that the work and payment need to have genuine business purpose beyond just family chores. Once he has legitimate earned income, he can contribute up to 100% of that income to a Roth IRA (up to the annual limit of $7,000 for 2025). Keep detailed records of any payments and work performed. This early start on retirement savings is an amazing gift - compound interest over 50+ years will be incredible!
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation with my 16-year-old daughter. We were thinking about having her help with some basic bookkeeping for my freelance consulting business. Would that count as legitimate business income even though she'd be working from home? I want to make sure we're doing this right from the start. Also, do you know if there are any specific record-keeping requirements beyond just tracking hours and payments?
I filed my 2025 return through TaxSlayer this morning around 10 AM and just got the acceptance notification about 6 hours later! So you're definitely within the normal timeframe at 3 hours. What really helped calm my nerves was learning from this thread about the IRS batch processing schedule. Since you filed this afternoon, you'll likely see acceptance during tonight's overnight processing cycle (12 AM - 6 AM EST) or tomorrow morning at the latest. The 48-hour window the software gives you is really the maximum - most returns get accepted much faster, especially early in the season like now. Your $2,300 refund should process quickly once accepted since there's less volume in the system compared to the March/April rush. I know the waiting is torture when you're planning around that money, but try to resist the urge to check every hour. The status only updates once daily anyway, usually overnight. You'll probably wake up tomorrow to good news!
Congratulations on getting your acceptance so quickly! That's really encouraging to hear. I think learning about the batch processing from everyone here has been the most helpful part - it explains so much about why the timing varies so wildly between different people. I filed mine around the same time you did (mid-afternoon) so hopefully I'll see acceptance during tonight's processing window too. It's amazing how much anxiety the waiting creates when you're expecting a decent refund! Thanks for the reminder about the status only updating daily. I've definitely been guilty of checking way too frequently today. Going to try to be patient and just check once in the morning. Fingers crossed we both have smooth processing from here!
Hey Savanna! I totally understand that anxiety - I was in your exact same position last year with my first efile. The 3-hour wait feels eternal when you're expecting a good refund, but you're definitely still well within normal timing. From reading all these helpful comments, it sounds like the IRS processes returns in batches rather than continuously, which explains why some people get accepted super quickly while others wait longer. Since you filed this afternoon, you'll likely see acceptance during tonight's overnight processing window (12 AM - 6 AM EST) or first thing tomorrow morning. The 48-hour window TurboTax gives you is really their "worst case scenario" timeline. Most returns get accepted much faster, especially early in the filing season like now when there's less volume in their system. Once you do get accepted, your $2,300 refund should come pretty quickly with direct deposit - most people seem to be getting theirs within 7-14 days rather than the full 21 days the IRS quotes. Try to resist checking Where's My Refund constantly (I know, easier said than done!) since it only updates once daily anyway. You should have good news waiting for you tomorrow morning! Keep us posted on how it goes.
Thanks Brandon, this is really reassuring! As a first-time efiler, I had no idea about the batch processing system - that makes so much more sense than thinking it's just a random delay. Knowing that there's actually a schedule to when they process returns (overnight 12 AM - 6 AM EST) gives me something concrete to expect rather than just anxiously waiting. I'm definitely guilty of checking the status way too frequently today - probably every 20 minutes! Going to take everyone's advice here and limit myself to checking once tomorrow morning. It's just hard to be patient when you're planning around that refund money, you know? Really appreciate you sharing the realistic timeline too. 7-14 days for the actual refund sounds much more manageable than the vague "up to 21 days" messaging. I'll definitely update the thread once I get acceptance and let everyone know how the timing worked out. This community has been super helpful for a newbie like me!
I went through this exact same situation two years ago and can confirm you're on the right track with Form 3115 and DCN 7. The relief of finally getting it sorted out is huge! One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you keep really detailed records of your correction process. I created a spreadsheet showing year by year what I claimed vs. what I should have claimed, along with supporting documentation for my original purchase price and any improvements. This came in handy when I got a notice from the IRS about 8 months later (not an audit, just a clarification request). Having everything organized made it easy to respond, and they accepted my documentation without any issues. Also, if you're using tax software, some programs don't handle Form 3115 very well, especially the 481(a) adjustment calculations. I ended up having to do mine by hand and attach it as a PDF. Just something to keep in mind if your software seems to be calculating things incorrectly. The peace of mind of knowing everything is correct going forward is worth the hassle of fixing it properly!
This is really helpful advice about keeping detailed records! I'm just starting to tackle my own depreciation correction and was wondering - when you say you got a notice from the IRS 8 months later, was that pretty standard timing? I'm trying to mentally prepare for what to expect after I file my Form 3115. Also, what specific details did you include in your year-by-year spreadsheet? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly from the start. Did you include things like the depreciation method used, the recovery period, and the actual vs. correct annual amounts? Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the whole process successfully!
I'm in a very similar boat and this discussion has been incredibly valuable! I converted my primary residence to a rental about 4 years ago and also made the FMV vs. adjusted basis mistake. The excess depreciation in my case is around $22k. Reading through everyone's experiences, I feel much more confident about moving forward with Form 3115 and DCN 7. I'm particularly grateful for the clarification that no amended returns are needed - that was my biggest concern. One question I haven't seen addressed: Has anyone dealt with this situation where you also had a home office deduction while living in the house? I claimed home office expenses for about 2 years before converting to rental, which means I already depreciated part of the house. I'm wondering if that complicates the basis calculation for the rental conversion. Also, for those who worked with tax professionals on this, did you use a regular CPA or someone who specializes in real estate tax issues? I'm debating whether to tackle this myself or get professional help, especially given the home office wrinkle. Thanks again to everyone for sharing their experiences - it's made what seemed like an overwhelming problem feel much more manageable!
As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to share my recent experience that might be helpful here. I was in almost the exact same situation last year - missed my 2022 return and was worried about filing order for 2023. After reading through IRS Publication 17 and consulting with a tax professional, I filed 2022 first in January 2024, then immediately prepared my 2023 return once I had the prior year AGI. The chronological approach definitely saved me headaches. My tax preparer explained that even though there's no hard rule requiring sequential filing, the IRS computer systems are designed to expect prior year data when processing current returns. When I e-filed my 2023 return, it went through smoothly because my 2022 AGI was already in their system. One thing I learned: if you're expecting refunds from both years, filing the older return first can actually speed up your overall process since you'll have that prior year baseline established. Also, make sure to gather all your investment documentation carefully - Form 1099-B from brokerages, any dividend statements, etc. The IRS gets copies of all these forms, so accuracy is crucial especially on a late filing. Good luck getting caught up!
Thanks for sharing your experience, Fatima! This is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's so valuable. I'm curious - when you filed your 2022 return in January 2024, did you encounter any issues with the IRS processing it so close to the 2023 filing season opening? I'm wondering if there's an optimal timing window for filing the late return before starting on the current year. Also, regarding the investment documentation you mentioned, did you have any challenges with brokerages providing historical 1099-B forms for the missed year, or were they readily available through your account portals? I want to make sure I have everything lined up properly before I start the filing process.
As a newcomer to this community, I want to add another perspective on the filing order question. I work as a tax compliance analyst, and I've seen the technical side of what happens when returns are filed out of sequence. The IRS Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) does maintain separate Master Files for each tax year, but there are cross-references that can create issues. When you file a current year return, the system automatically checks for certain data points from the prior year - not just AGI for e-filing verification, but also carryforward items like NOL deductions, capital loss carryovers, and education credits. If that prior year data isn't in the system, it can trigger manual review flags. For your specific situation with investment gains, there's an additional consideration: if you have capital losses from 2023 that could offset gains in 2024, you'll want those properly recorded in sequence. The $3,000 annual capital loss deduction and any carryforward amounts need to be calculated chronologically. My recommendation: file 2023 immediately, wait for it to be processed (usually 2-3 weeks for e-filed returns), then proceed with 2024. The peace of mind is worth the short delay, and you'll avoid any potential cross-year complications that could take months to resolve.
This is incredibly helpful technical insight, Andre! As someone new to navigating tax compliance issues, I really appreciate the explanation about the IDRS cross-references and how they can trigger manual review flags. The point about capital loss carryovers is particularly relevant to my situation since I do have some losing positions from 2023 that could offset my 2024 gains. Quick question: when you mention waiting 2-3 weeks for the 2023 return to be processed before filing 2024, is there a way to confirm it's fully processed beyond just checking the "Where's My Refund" tool? I want to make sure I don't jump the gun and create those cross-year complications you mentioned. Also, given that we're now in March and the 2024 filing deadline is approaching, would you recommend requesting an extension for 2024 if my 2023 return isn't fully processed in time? I'd rather file everything correctly than rush and create problems. Thanks for sharing your professional expertise - this kind of behind-the-scenes knowledge about IRS systems really helps demystify the process for those of us dealing with these situations for the first time.
Cass Green
This has been such an informative thread! As someone who's been considering this exact strategy, reading through everyone's real experiences has been incredibly valuable. What I'm taking away from all the discussions is that while it's absolutely possible to reduce withholding and earn interest on that money, the actual financial benefit is pretty modest when you factor in all the complexities. The folks who shared real numbers ($200-400 annually) really helped put this in perspective. I'm particularly drawn to the middle-ground approaches that several people mentioned - reducing withholding by 50-60% rather than trying to eliminate it entirely. This seems to offer most of the benefit without the quarterly payment headaches or the risk of miscalculating and facing penalties. One thing that really stood out to me was how disciplined you need to be with setting aside the money. The "Tax Jail" account concept and automatic transfers seem crucial for making this work without accidentally spending your tax obligations. For anyone else considering this, it sounds like starting conservatively and treating it as a learning experience makes the most sense. The interest earnings might not be life-changing, but it's a good way to become more engaged with your tax planning while keeping more of your money working for you throughout the year. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread has probably saved me from making some rookie mistakes!
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Luca Marino
ā¢This thread has been incredibly eye-opening for me too! I started reading with the same idea as the original poster - thinking I could just stop all withholding and earn interest on a big lump sum. But seeing everyone's real experiences and actual dollar amounts has completely changed my perspective. The discipline factor really can't be overstated. Multiple people mentioned how crucial it is to immediately set aside that money and never think of it as "yours." I can definitely see how easy it would be to rationalize dipping into those funds for something else, especially if they're just sitting in your regular account. I'm also impressed by how many people emphasized starting small and conservative. That seems to be the common thread among those who've actually succeeded with this strategy long-term. The folks earning $200-400 annually with reduced complexity sound much more sustainable than trying to optimize every last dollar. One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been mentioned much - has anyone tried this strategy during a year when their income changed significantly (job change, promotion, etc.)? I wonder how that affects the calculations and whether it makes the whole thing more complicated to manage. Thanks again to everyone for sharing such detailed experiences. This is exactly the kind of real-world insight you can't get from just reading IRS publications!
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Noah Torres
I've been doing this strategy for about 18 months now and wanted to share some lessons learned, especially regarding income changes since that was just mentioned. I started this approach when I was making $78k, but got a promotion mid-year that bumped me to $95k. This actually made things more complicated because my safe harbor calculation was based on the previous year's lower income, so I ended up significantly underwithheld by year-end. The good news is that as long as you meet the safe harbor threshold (100% of prior year's tax if under $150k AGI), you won't face penalties even if you owe a lot at filing time. But I did end up owing about $3,200 when I filed, which was a bigger chunk than I was prepared for. For the current year, I've had to completely recalculate my strategy based on the new income level. I'm now doing quarterly estimated payments to make sure I don't get hit with a massive bill again. My advice if your income might change: stick with the conservative 50-60% withholding reduction approach rather than trying to minimize withholding completely. The extra buffer helps protect you when life throws curveballs. Overall, I'm still glad I'm doing this - earned about $285 in extra interest last year - but income changes definitely add complexity you need to plan for.
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Ezra Collins
ā¢This is exactly the kind of scenario I was wondering about! Thanks for sharing your experience with the income change mid-year. That $3,200 surprise bill definitely sounds like something I'd want to avoid, even if there weren't penalties involved. Your point about sticking with the 50-60% reduction approach when income might change really makes sense. It seems like having that buffer becomes even more important when you can't predict your exact tax situation for the year. I'm curious - when you had to recalculate everything after your promotion, did you end up switching to quarterly estimated payments for the remainder of that year, or did you adjust your W-4 withholding instead? I'm trying to figure out which approach would be simpler if I found myself in a similar situation. Also, congratulations on the promotion! Even with the tax complications, that sounds like a great problem to have.
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