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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm dealing with this exact issue right now. I live in a high-tax state and have been automatically reporting my state refunds as taxable income for the past several years without really understanding the nuances. From reading through all these comments, it sounds like the key question is whether my actual state/local tax payments (after subtracting any refunds) still exceeded the $10,000 SALT cap. If they did, then the refund portion shouldn't be taxable since I didn't get a federal tax benefit from that excess amount. I'm going to pull out my old tax returns and do the math. If I find that I've been overpaying, it sounds like I can amend returns for the past three years using Form 1040-X. Has anyone here had success getting their amended return refunds processed quickly, or should I expect a long wait from the IRS? Also wondering - for those who used the tax analysis tools mentioned here, did you feel confident filing the amendments yourself, or did you end up having a tax professional review everything first?

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I'm new here but dealing with this exact same situation! I've been in California for the past 4 years and just realized I might have been making this mistake too. From what I'm reading, it sounds like the math is pretty straightforward - if your total state/local taxes paid minus any refunds still puts you over the $10k SALT cap, then the refund shouldn't be taxable. I'm going to dig through my old returns this weekend to see if I qualify for amendments. Regarding processing times, I've heard mixed things about IRS amended return processing. Some people say 16-20 weeks, others have gotten theirs faster. Might depend on how backed up they are. For the tax tools vs. professional review question - I'm probably going to try the DIY approach first since the calculations seem fairly clear-cut, but if I find anything complicated I'll have my CPA double-check before filing. The potential refund amount will probably determine how much professional help I'm willing to pay for!

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QuantumQuest

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I filed amended returns for 2021 and 2022 about 4 months ago and just received my refunds last week, so the processing time was right around 16 weeks for me. Not super fast, but not terrible either. I went the DIY route after using one of the analysis tools mentioned here to double-check my calculations. The math really is straightforward once you understand the concept - if your net state/local taxes (after refunds) exceeded $10k, then you got no federal benefit from the "excess" that later became your refund. One tip: make sure to include a brief explanation letter with your Form 1040-X explaining that you're correcting the taxable portion of state tax refunds due to the SALT cap limitation. I think it helps the IRS processor understand what you're doing rather than just seeing random numbers changed. The refund amounts weren't huge in my case (about $300-400 per year), but it was definitely worth the time to file the amendments. Plus now I know not to make the same mistake going forward!

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Lindsey Fry

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This thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I'm a tax preparer and I have to admit that I've been automatically treating state tax refunds as fully taxable for clients without really diving into how the SALT cap affects this calculation. The key insight here is that the tax benefit rule only applies to the extent you actually received a benefit. With the $10,000 SALT cap, many taxpayers in high-tax states are getting refunds for amounts that never provided them any federal tax benefit in the first place. For anyone working through this, here's what I'd recommend: First, gather your prior year tax returns and identify years where you itemized deductions. Then for each year, calculate your actual state/local tax payments (total payments minus refunds). If that net amount still exceeds $10,000, then your state refund for the following year should not have been reported as taxable income. One thing to watch out for - make sure you're considering ALL state and local taxes when doing this calculation, including property taxes, not just income taxes. The $10,000 cap applies to the combined total. The good news is that if you discover you've been overpaying, you can typically amend returns for the past three tax years. Given how common this mistake seems to be post-2018, it's definitely worth checking your returns!

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Emma Morales

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@Lindsey Fry Really appreciate you sharing your professional insights! This has been such a confusing area for me personally. I m'in New Jersey and between state income taxes and property taxes, I m'definitely hitting that $10k SALT cap every year. Looking back at my returns, I think I ve'been making this exact mistake since 2018 when the cap took effect. One question for you as a tax professional - when you re'preparing amendments for this issue, do you typically see the IRS request additional documentation, or do they generally accept the corrected calculations at face value? I m'a bit nervous about potentially triggering any additional scrutiny, especially since I d'be filing amendments for multiple years. Also, for someone in my situation where the math seems straightforward clearly (over the SALT cap ,)would you recommend using one of those analysis tools mentioned earlier in the thread, or is it worth paying a professional just to be safe? I m'trying to balance the potential refund amount against the cost of professional preparation.

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Ava Thompson

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@Lindsey Fry Thanks for the professional perspective! I m'just getting started on researching this issue and your breakdown is really helpful. I m'in Massachusetts and have been itemizing for years due to high property taxes plus state income taxes. Looking at my rough calculations, I m'definitely hitting the $10k SALT cap each year, but I ve'been dutifully reporting my state refunds as fully taxable income without questioning it. A couple of follow-up questions from a newcomer to this topic: When you mentioned gathering prior "year tax returns, are" you referring to the returns from the year I paid the taxes, or the year I received the refund? I want to make sure I m'looking at the right documents when I start this analysis. Also, is there a specific line or form where I should be looking to find my total state and local tax payments for each year? I assume it would be on Schedule A, but I want to make sure I m'capturing everything correctly when I do my calculations. This community has been so helpful - I had no idea this was even an issue until I started reading through this discussion!

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IRS Transcript Help: Credits Reduced by $4,880 (Codes 767/765) and Interest Charged $275 After Amended Return

I'm looking at my transcript and completely confused about all these codes. Below is what I'm seeing: 971 Amended tax return or claim 10-11-2024 $0.00 forwarded for processing 977 Amended return filed 10-11-2024 $0.00 43277-696-04828-4 767 Reduced or removed credit to your account 04-15-2024 $1,836.00 765 Reduced or removed earned income credit 04-15-2024 $3,244.00 291 Reduced or removed prior tax assessed 02-16-2025 -$1,848.00 09254-410-06319-5 196 Interest charged for late payment 20250505 02-18-2025 $375.21 971 Notice issued 02-18-2025 $0.00 I see code 971 from 10-11-2024 that says "Amended tax return or claim" ($0.00) with a note that it was "forwarded for processing", and another 977 code from the same date about "Amended return filed" ($0.00) with some reference number 43277-696-04828-4. But what's really concerning me is all these reductions - there's code 767 from 04-15-2024 showing "Reduced or removed credit to your account" for $1,836.00, and code 765 from the same date showing "Reduced or removed earned income credit" for $3,244.00! That's a total of over $5,000 in credits being removed! Then there's code 291 from 02-16-2025 for "Reduced or removed prior tax assessed" showing -$1,848.00 with another reference number 09254-410-06319-5. To make matters worse, I'm seeing code 196 with an interest charge for late payment dated 02-18-2025 for $375.21, and another 971 code from 02-18-2025 for a "Notice issued" ($0.00). Can anyone explain what all these codes mean? I'm especially worried about these reduced credits totaling over $5,000 and this interest charge. Does the 291 code mean they're giving me money back or taking more away? And what about that "20250505" date next to the interest charge - is that significant? Is anyone else dealing with reduced credits and interest charges like this? I really need help understanding what's happening with my account.

Looking at your transcript, I can see why you're stressed - those are some significant adjustments! The key thing to understand is that codes 767 and 765 (your credit reductions totaling $5,080) happened back in April 2024, but your amended return wasn't filed until October 2024. That 6-month gap is likely what triggered the interest charge. The good news is that code 291 showing -$1,848 is actually money being credited back to your account (negative amounts are refunds on IRS transcripts). So while you lost $5,080 in credits, you're getting $1,848 back, making your net loss around $3,232 plus the interest. Since your amended return is still processing (the "forwarded for processing" status), there's still hope that some or all of those original credit reductions could be reversed if the amendment addresses whatever triggered them. The IRS usually reduces EIC when they can't verify income or dependent eligibility, so make sure your amended return includes all supporting documentation. I'd recommend calling the Practitioner Priority Service at 1-866-860-4259 if you can get a tax pro to call for you, or try the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 1-877-777-4778 - they're much better at explaining these complex situations than regular IRS customer service. Keep that reference number 43277-696-04828-4 handy when you call!

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Andre Dupont

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This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I needed! Thank you for explaining that the negative amount on code 291 is actually a credit - I was so confused about whether that meant more money owed or coming back to me. The timeline you laid out really helps me understand why the interest hit. I'm definitely going to call the Taxpayer Advocate Service since multiple people have recommended them. Fingers crossed the amended return fixes whatever caused those massive EIC reductions in the first place! šŸ¤ž

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The timeline of events on your transcript tells a clear story of what happened. Your original return was processed normally, but then in April 2024 the IRS conducted an automated review that flagged issues with your Earned Income Credit and other credits, leading to those substantial reductions (codes 765 and 767). What likely happened is the IRS couldn't verify information like income amounts, filing status, or dependent eligibility during their post-filing review process. This is pretty common with EIC claims since they're heavily scrutinized due to fraud concerns. The fact that you filed an amended return in October 2024 suggests you discovered what caused the original adjustments and are trying to correct them. The 6-month gap between the credit reductions and your amendment is what generated that interest charge - the IRS considers the credits as "overpaid" from April onward until resolved. Here's what to watch for: Your amended return (reference 43277-696-04828-4) is currently being processed, which typically takes 16-20 weeks. If it successfully addresses the original issues, you could see those credits restored. The code 291 credit of $1,848 might be a partial adjustment while they work through your case. Keep checking your transcript weekly and definitely call the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 1-877-777-4778 - they can provide much clearer explanations than regular IRS phone lines. Stay patient, but stay on top of it!

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Aaliyah Reed

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This breakdown is incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation and your explanation about the automated review process makes so much sense. I was wondering - when you mention that the IRS couldn't verify information during their post-filing review, do you know what specific documents or evidence would typically resolve EIC eligibility issues? I'm trying to figure out what to include with my own amended return to avoid having this happen again. Also, is there any way to prevent these automated reviews from happening in the first place, or is it just random? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

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Has anyone actually received their amended return refund recently? I filed a 1040X for 2021 back in August 2023 and still nothing. The "Where's My Amended Return" tool just says it's been received.

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I filed an amended 2021 return in July 2023 and finally got my refund last month (March 2024). So about 8 months in total. The online status tool never updated beyond "received" until suddenly one day it showed completed and the check arrived about a week later.

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Zainab Omar

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One thing I learned the hard way with my amendment last year - make sure you double-check all your math on the 1040X, especially in columns A, B, and C. I made a calculation error that caused a 3-month delay while they sent me a notice asking for clarification. Also, since you mentioned your tax liability isn't changing, make sure you write a clear explanation in Part III about what you're correcting and why. Something like "Correcting Form 8606 reporting for 1099-R distribution - no change to tax owed." The clearer your explanation, the less likely they are to have follow-up questions that slow down processing. Good luck with your amendment! At least you caught the error and are fixing it properly.

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AstroAce

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This is really helpful advice about being extra careful with the math! I'm definitely going to triple-check those columns before I submit. Your suggestion about the clear explanation in Part III is spot on too - I was wondering how detailed I should be in that section. Since my situation is similar (1099-R/Form 8606 correction with no tax liability change), I'm curious - did you have to include any additional documentation with your amendment beyond the corrected Form 8606? I have the corrected 1099-R from my plan administrator showing the proper distribution coding, but I wasn't sure if I should attach that as well.

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Based on all the great advice here, I'd strongly recommend getting a CPA involved sooner rather than later. The loan treatment is just one piece of the puzzle - you'll also need proper asset allocation for the purchase, quarterly estimated tax planning since S Corp profits flow through to your personal return, and basis tracking from day one. Since you're closing in a couple weeks, make sure your purchase agreement clearly specifies the asset allocation. The IRS requires you and the seller to agree on how the $250k+ purchase price gets allocated across different assets (equipment, customer lists, goodwill, etc.) using Form 8594. This allocation directly impacts your future depreciation/amortization deductions. Also consider setting up a separate business savings account specifically for tax payments. With $60k annual loan payments reducing available cash and S Corp profits flowing through to your personal taxes, you'll want to systematically set aside money for quarterly estimates to avoid underpayment penalties.

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Ravi Sharma

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This is excellent comprehensive advice! I'm actually in a similar situation with an S Corp acquisition and hadn't thought about the Form 8594 requirement. Can you clarify - does the asset allocation need to be finalized at closing, or can it be adjusted later if we discover the initial estimates were off? Also, regarding the separate tax savings account, what percentage of monthly profits would you typically recommend setting aside for quarterly payments? I'm trying to avoid the cash flow squeeze that @b6a54621eac7 mentioned earlier.

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Great comprehensive discussion here! As someone who went through a similar S Corp acquisition last year, I want to emphasize a few additional points that caught me off guard: First, make sure your loan documents clearly state the business purpose. The IRS scrutinizes S Corp loans more closely than other business structures, especially if the loan-to-equity ratio gets too high. Keep detailed records showing the loan proceeds went directly to legitimate business purposes (the acquisition). Second, consider the timing of your closing. If you're closing before year-end, you'll have partial-year S Corp income flowing through to your personal return, plus the loan payments reducing available cash for distributions. This can create a significant cash crunch for tax payments in April. Third, don't forget about state tax implications. Some states treat S Corp pass-through income differently, and a few states have additional compliance requirements for business acquisitions that could affect your overall tax strategy. The advice about getting a CPA involved immediately is spot-on. The interaction between loan payments, basis tracking, asset allocation, and quarterly estimates gets complex quickly. Better to set up proper systems from day one than try to reconstruct everything at year-end!

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Omar Zaki

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This is really helpful additional context! The timing point about closing before year-end is something I hadn't fully considered. If the business generates significant income in those final months of the year, you could end up with a substantial tax liability on April 15th while simultaneously having reduced cash flow from loan payments. One question about the loan-to-equity ratio you mentioned - is there a specific threshold the IRS looks for, or is it more of a "reasonable business purpose" test? I'm wondering if there are any safe harbors or if it's completely subjective based on the circumstances. Also, regarding state tax implications, do you know if states generally follow the federal treatment for S Corp loan principal payments, or do some states have different rules that could create additional complications?

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StarSurfer

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June, I'm absolutely horrified by what you're experiencing with MyHealth CCM. Your story perfectly validates every single red flag we discussed in this thread - and unfortunately shows the real-world consequences when people fall for these schemes. The fact that you paid $75,000 and can't get basic customer support is beyond unacceptable. What's particularly infuriating is that the owner himself won't even respond to your concerns - he just forwards your complaint to the same person who's been ignoring you. This shows they have zero respect for their "investors" once they've collected the money. The broken video platform preventing you from completing the 100-hour compliance training sounds absolutely intentional. This gives them a perfect excuse to later claim you didn't meet program requirements if you try to demand the promised benefits or seek a refund. It's a classic bait-and-switch tactic. Given everything you've shared, I'd strongly recommend: 1. Immediately consulting with a consumer protection attorney - many offer free consultations 2. Filing complaints with your state's Attorney General and securities division 3. If you paid by credit card, disputing the charges for services not provided 4. Documenting absolutely everything with screenshots and saved communications Your experience is saving others from this same nightmare. The combination of tax shelter risks we discussed plus your real-world evidence of their terrible business practices makes it crystal clear that people should run from MyHealth CCM as fast as possible. Thank you for your courage in sharing this - I know it must be incredibly frustrating, but you're potentially saving others from losing their life savings to these predators.

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Ethan Scott

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June, I'm so sorry you're dealing with this nightmare situation with MyHealth CCM. Your experience is the perfect real-world example of why this entire thread was filled with warnings about these types of schemes. What you're going through - investing $75k only to be completely abandoned by customer service when you need basic technical support - is unfortunately exactly what many of us feared would happen. The fact that even the owner won't personally address your concerns after such a substantial investment shows they view customers as nothing more than ATM machines once they've collected their fees. The broken video platform issue is particularly suspicious. A legitimate business would have multiple ways to help you complete required training, but it sounds like they're creating deliberate obstacles. This could be their way of setting up an excuse to claim you didn't meet compliance requirements later. As someone new to understanding these investment schemes, your story has been incredibly educational for me. It shows how these companies can transition from aggressive sales tactics to complete customer abandonment once they have your money. I really hope you pursue all the legal remedies others have suggested - consumer protection attorneys, state regulatory complaints, credit card disputes if applicable. Your experience could be crucial evidence if there are other victims organizing legal action. Thank you for sharing this despite how frustrating it must be. You're genuinely helping protect others from falling into this same trap.

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Zara Rashid

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June, I'm absolutely devastated to read about your experience with MyHealth CCM. Your story is the smoking gun that proves everything we discussed about red flags in this thread was spot on. Paying $75,000 and then being completely ghosted by customer service - including the owner just forwarding your complaint without even responding - is beyond unprofessional. It's predatory. The broken video platform preventing you from completing the mandatory 100-hour training sounds like deliberate sabotage designed to give them an out later. This validates every concern raised by Miguel about IRS enforcement and Dylan's points about these not being legitimate healthcare businesses. When a company can't even provide basic customer support after collecting such a massive upfront payment, how can they possibly operate a compliant chronic care management business? I'd echo everyone's advice about documenting everything and consulting with attorneys, but I'd also suggest checking if there are other MyHealth CCM victims organizing. Companies like this often have patterns of similar complaints, and there might be strength in numbers for legal action. Your willingness to share this nightmare experience is incredibly brave and will undoubtedly save others from the same fate. Thank you for providing the real-world evidence that transforms our theoretical concerns about tax shelters into a concrete warning about what actually happens to victims of these schemes. Please don't give up fighting this - you deserve so much better than what they've put you through.

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June, I'm so sorry you're going through this terrible situation with MyHealth CCM. As someone completely new to this community and these types of investment discussions, your story has been absolutely eye-opening and frankly terrifying. Reading through this entire thread, it started as a theoretical discussion about tax shelter red flags, but your real experience has made it painfully concrete. The fact that you invested $75,000 and can't even get basic customer service - let alone the owner responding to your direct complaints - is shocking and validates every warning that was raised earlier. The broken video platform issue is particularly concerning. If they can't maintain basic technology for required training, how can they possibly operate the complex healthcare compliance systems that legitimate CCM businesses need? It really does sound like they're creating deliberate barriers to prevent you from completing the program. Your experience has completely reinforced my decision to stay far away from any similar "opportunities" no matter how attractive the tax benefits might sound. The combination of questionable tax structures discussed by the professionals here, plus your real-world evidence of their terrible business practices, makes it clear these companies are more focused on collecting upfront fees than actually running legitimate operations. I really hope you're able to get some resolution through the legal and regulatory channels others have suggested. Thank you for having the courage to share this - you're genuinely helping protect people like me who might otherwise fall for these schemes.

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