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If you get fired can you draw unemployment in California EDD?

So I just got let go from my job last Friday and I'm honestly in shock. Been there for almost 4 years and out of nowhere my manager calls me into the office and says they're terminating me for 'performance issues' but honestly I feel like it came out of nowhere. I never had a written warning, no performance improvement plan, nothing documented as far as I know. A coworker told me that if you get fired you can't collect unemployment but that doesn't sound right to me. I went ahead and filed a claim through UI Online anyway because I figured I had nothing to lose. Now I'm just sitting here stressed out wondering if I'm even eligible. Does anyone know how California EDD actually handles this when you've been fired? Is there a difference between being fired for cause vs just being let go? My claim is showing as pending and I have no idea what to expect next.

Your coworker is wrong, don't stress about that part. Being fired does NOT automatically disqualify you from unemployment in California. The key thing California EDD looks at is WHY you were fired. If they let you go for something like downsizing, restructuring, or even just general 'not a good fit' reasons, you'll likely be approved. The tricky situation is when an employer claims you were fired for 'misconduct' - that's the specific legal term California EDD uses. Misconduct has a pretty high bar though. Stuff like poor performance, not meeting quotas, or making honest mistakes typically doesn't qualify as misconduct under California UI law. You'd have to do something like deliberately violating a known company policy, theft, harassment, etc. for it to be considered disqualifying misconduct. The fact that you had no written warnings actually works in your favor if your employer tries to claim misconduct - it's hard to prove you knowingly violated policies with no documentation trail.

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This is really reassuring to hear. So basically my employer would have to prove I did something intentionally bad, not just that my numbers were down or whatever?

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Exactly. California EDD specifically distinguishes between poor performance (which is usually approvable) and willful misconduct (which disqualifies you). The burden of proof is actually on the employer to demonstrate misconduct, not on you to prove you were innocent.

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This is correct. I work in HR and see this constantly. Employers often SAY misconduct to try to avoid unemployment charges on their account but California EDD investigators dig into the actual facts. Vague performance claims rarely stick as disqualifying misconduct.

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went thru this exact situation last year. got fired from my warehouse job, they said i violated safety protocols but i had never been warned about anything in writing. filed my claim, got put in adjudication for like 3 weeks which was nerve wracking, but then got approved. the adjudication period is totally normal when you're fired because california edd has to contact your former employer and get their side before making a decision. just keep filing your weekly certifications during that whole waiting period even tho its annoying

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Wait I didn't know I was supposed to keep filing weekly even while it's pending?? I haven't filed anything since my initial claim. Is that going to be a problem?

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YES file immediately!! go to UI online and file your weekly certifications for every week since you filed. you can backfile weeks you missed. if you wait too long you could lose those benefit weeks permanently

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This is super important. Don't skip a single week of certification even during adjudication. The weeks you don't certify are weeks you won't get paid even if approved later.

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I was in a similar situation about 8 months ago and the thing nobody tells you is that after you file, California EDD sends a questionnaire to BOTH you and your former employer asking about the separation. This is your chance to tell your side of the story in detail. Do NOT underestimate this form. Write thorough answers. Mention that there was no documentation, no written warnings, no PIP. Be factual and specific. Also if you need to actually speak with someone at California EDD about your claim status I'd strongly recommend checking out Claimyr - it's a service that helps you get through to a live California EDD agent without spending your entire day on hold. Their site is claimyr.com and there's a video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10 - I used it when my own adjudication was dragging on and actually got answers same day instead of waiting weeks.

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I didn't know they sent a questionnaire! I haven't received anything yet. How long did it take to get to you? And I'll look into that Claimyr thing because I've been trying to call and can't get through to anyone.

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Mine came about 10 days after filing, via mail AND in my UI Online inbox. Check both. The form has a deadline so don't let it sit too long once you receive it.

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seconding claimyr, used it last month when my claim had a weird hold on it. got connected to an agent in way less time than calling directly. the agent was able to see exactly what was happening with my claim and explain the next steps

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ok wait i'm confused about something. if OP got FIRED does that mean they were also laid off?? i thought fired and laid off were different things for unemployment purposes

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They are different! Laid off = employer-initiated separation not due to employee's fault (reduction in force, business closure, etc.) - almost always approved quickly. Fired = terminated by employer, may or may not involve alleged fault - goes through adjudication. Quit = voluntarily left, hardest to get approved unless you had 'good cause'. OP's situation is a termination so it'll go through the adjudication process but is still very winnable.

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ohh ok that makes way more sense. so fired doesn't automatically mean disqualified just means more hoops to jump thru got it

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Yeah basically California EDD looks at the REASON behind any separation not just whether you quit or were fired. Even some voluntary quits get approved if you had good cause like a hostile work environment or medical necessity.

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I want to add something important here that I don't see mentioned yet. When California EDD contacts your former employer, your ex-employer might escalate things and hire a third party unemployment claims management company to fight your claim. These companies specialize in denying unemployment and they're very aggressive. A lot of big corporations and retailers use them. If your former employer was a bigger company, be prepared for a potential denial even if your case seems straightforward. That said - even if you get denied you have 30 days to appeal and the appeals process is where a lot of people actually win their cases because you get an actual hearing where you can present your side.

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My former employer is a mid-size company, maybe 200 employees. Would they use one of those third party companies? This is making me nervous again lol

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It really varies. Some companies at that size do, many don't. The questionnaire response you get from them will give you a clue - if it's really detailed and legalistic it might be a third party. Either way document everything, save all your communication from them during employment, any performance reviews even good ones, emails praising your work, etc.

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The appeals process genuinely works though. I was denied initially, appealed, and won at the hearing. The administrative law judge was very fair and my employer didn't even bother showing up to the hearing which helped my case a lot.

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can I ask a dumb question here - when OP says their claim is showing as pending does that mean they're definitely in adjudication or could it just be normal processing? asking cuz mine has been pending for 5 days and I don't know if I should be worried

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5 days after filing is totally normal pending status, not necessarily adjudication. Adjudication specifically means there's a question about your eligibility that needs to be resolved. If your separation was straightforward (laid off) you might just be in normal initial processing which can take 1-3 weeks. If you were fired or quit you'll likely see it move to adjudication.

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ok I was laid off so hopefully it's just normal processing. my friend said it took her 2 weeks from filing to first payment. is that typical?

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Two weeks is pretty optimistic honestly, more like 3-4 weeks for most people especially right now. But layoffs without complications do process faster than terminations or voluntary quits.

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Just jumping in to say something that helped me mentally during my adjudication wait - the pending/adjudication status on UI Online doesn't update very frequently and does NOT mean nothing is happening. I was convinced my claim was just sitting there ignored for weeks. Turns out California EDD was actively working it and contacting my employer the whole time, the online status just doesn't reflect every step of the process. So try not to read too much into the status display.

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That's actually really helpful to hear because I've been refreshing UI Online like every hour waiting for something to change and stressing myself out.

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Haha been there. The status usually only changes when a determination has been made. In the meantime just keep certifying weekly and responding to any correspondence promptly.

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same thing happened with my claim. saw 'pending' for like 18 days then one morning woke up to 'approved' and money in my account 3 days later. the waiting is the worst part

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Let me give you the actual step by step of what's going to happen now that you've filed so you're not flying blind: 1. California EDD will send you a DE 1080CZ form (Reason for Separation questionnaire) - fill this out completely and honestly 2. Your employer gets a similar form asking for their account of the separation 3. An EDD interviewer reviews both and may call either of you for more information 4. A Notice of Determination is mailed to you with the decision 5. If denied, you have 30 days from the mail date to file an appeal 6. If approved, your payment will be released for any weeks you've certified The most important things: answer that questionnaire thoroughly emphasizing no written warnings, keep certifying weekly, respond quickly to any calls or correspondence from California EDD. Don't miss deadlines especially the appeal window if you get denied.

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This is incredibly helpful thank you so much. One question - on the questionnaire should I just keep it simple or really go into detail about everything that happened?

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Be detailed but factual. Don't editorialize or sound angry - just state the facts clearly. 'I was terminated on [date]. Prior to termination I had no written warnings, no formal corrective action, no performance improvement plan. My most recent performance review [if positive, mention it]. I was not provided with specific documentation of the alleged performance issues at the time of termination.' Keep it professional and fact-based.

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This. The questionnaire response sets the tone for everything. Factual, calm, specific. California EDD adjudicators have seen every kind of sob story and anger letter. Clear facts stand out.

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BEEN THROUGH THIS TWICE NOW and both times i was approved after being fired. The system isn't perfect but it does work if you follow through. First time took 6 weeks in adjudication, second time only 3 weeks. Both times my employer claimed misconduct, both times california edd sided with me because the allegations were vague and undocumented. Keep your head up OP you're probably going to be fine

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It's genuinely comforting knowing other people have been through this and come out okay. Thank you.

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one more tip - write down everything you remember about the circumstances of your firing ASAP while its fresh. dates, what was said, who was present, etc. if it goes to a hearing you'll want those notes

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the notes thing is huge. I wish I had done this. By the time my hearing came around I couldn't remember specific dates and it made me look less credible even though I was telling the truth

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has anyone here actually gotten approved for unemployment after being fired for attendance issues? my situation is kind of different from OP's - I had some written warnings but they were from over a year ago and things had been fine since then. got fired last month out of nowhere

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Attendance with documented warnings is harder but not impossible. Key factors: how old were the warnings, was there a clear improvement period after them, did management acknowledge improvement, and was the final firing proportionate. Stale warnings from a year plus ago where you demonstrably improved tend to carry less weight in California EDD adjudication.

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I did improve and even got a positive mid-year check-in from my manager in November. Is that the kind of thing I should mention on the questionnaire?

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Absolutely mention that positive check-in. If you have it in writing (email, formal review document) that's even better. It directly contradicts the narrative that you had ongoing performance or attendance problems.

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Something I want to mention for OP and anyone else dealing with a pending/adjudication situation - if you're worried about the timeline and really need answers, I found that actually getting through to a California EDD phone agent made a huge difference for my anxiety and for actually understanding what was happening with my claim. I tried the 1-800 number for weeks and either got a busy signal or a disconnect. Someone here actually mentioned Claimyr (claimyr.com) a while back and it legitimately worked for me. Watched the demo at https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10 before using it and it was exactly as described - ended up talking to an EDD agent who could see my claim details and tell me where things stood. Worth it just for the peace of mind if nothing else.

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Yeah I've called probably 15 times and either can't get through or get disconnected. Going to look into Claimyr because at this point I just want to talk to an actual person.

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does claimyr actually work for regular unemployment claims or just special situations? asking because my claim is straightforward laid off situation but I still can't get anyone on the phone

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Worked fine for my regular UI claim. The agent I spoke with handles all kinds of claims, they're just regular California EDD phone agents. The issue is just getting through which is what the service helps with.

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I'm a little confused about something in this thread. Someone said the employer has to prove misconduct but I thought california edd just makes a decision without really hearing both sides?? Is there actually like a real investigation

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There's a genuine fact-finding process. California EDD sends questionnaires to both parties, may conduct phone interviews with either or both, reviews documentation submitted, and then makes a determination. It's not as extensive as a court proceeding but it's definitely not just rubber stamping the employer's characterization. Both sides get to tell their story.

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ok good that's reassuring. i filed my claim two weeks ago and nobody has contacted me for more info. should i be worried?

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Not necessarily. Sometimes the questionnaire responses are clear enough that they don't need additional interviews. Or they may still be in the initial review phase. Just make sure your UI Online contact info is correct and keep your phone available.

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genuine question - does the reason your employer gives for firing you on your UI claim have to match what they tell you directly? because my manager said one thing to my face but I suspect they're going to tell california edd something different

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This happens ALL the time and it actually can work in your favor. If you have any documentation of what your manager actually told you (texts, emails, written notice) that contradicts what they tell EDD, that inconsistency undermines the employer's credibility. Save everything.

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I have a text from my manager saying the position was being eliminated, but I bet they're going to claim performance to EDD because they don't want the unemployment charges. Can I submit that text?

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YES you can submit supporting documentation with your questionnaire response. A text from your manager saying the position was eliminated is extremely strong evidence. That's basically a layoff not a firing for cause. Include it and specifically reference the contradiction in your written response.

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just want to say thank you to everyone in this thread. i found it searching 'if you get fired can you draw unemployment' because i just got terminated today from a retail job and i was totally panicking thinking i was out of luck. reading through all of this has calmed me down so much and i'm going to file my claim tonight

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File tonight! Don't wait. Your benefit year start date is based on when you file so every day you wait is potentially a week of benefits you lose at the backend.

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omg i didn't know that. filing right now literally as i type this lol

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Also make sure you have your employer's information handy when you file - their legal name, address, EIN if you have a pay stub with it, and your last day of work. Having this ready makes the initial claim go much faster.

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Can we also talk about what benefits look like when you do get approved after a firing? I feel like nobody explains the actual dollar amounts. My last job paid me about $1,100 a week. What am I looking at from California EDD?

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California UI benefits are calculated at roughly 60-70% of your base period wages up to the maximum weekly benefit amount. For 2025 the maximum is $450 per week. So if you earned $1,100/week you'd likely hit close to the max. Your base period is the first four of the last five completed calendar quarters before you filed. California EDD calculates your WBA based on the highest earning quarter in that period.

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$450 max seems really low for California cost of living honestly. Is there any way to get more than that?

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Sadly no, $450 is the cap for regular UI in California. It's been that way for a while and there's ongoing advocacy to raise it but nothing has changed recently. Federal extensions and supplements that existed during the pandemic are gone. Just $450 max weekly.

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I want to share something that might help people in adjudication - I specifically asked the California EDD agent I spoke with (after using Claimyr by the way, finally got through after weeks of trying, claimyr.com if anyone needs it) what I could do to speed up my adjudication and she said the single best thing is to make sure your questionnaire is complete and clear, and to respond SAME DAY if an interviewer calls you. Missed call from an interviewer can set your case back weeks because they have to reschedule.

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This is gold. I'm going to make sure my phone is on and charged and not on do not disturb every single day from now on. What did your caller ID show when California EDD called you? I want to make sure I don't accidentally ignore it.

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It showed up as 1-800-300-5616 on mine but I've heard it can vary. Best to answer any 1-800 call or unknown number from California area codes during business hours until your claim is resolved.

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Also check your UI Online inbox daily. Sometimes they send a notice asking you to call THEM at a specific number within a certain timeframe. Missing those is just as bad as missing their outbound call.

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sorry if this is a dumb question but when OP says they never had a written warning - does verbal warning count as warning for california edd purposes? because i definitely had some conversations with my manager but nothing was ever put in writing

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Verbal warnings are harder for employers to prove because there's no documentation trail. They would have to have your manager testify to the specifics of what was said, when, and that you acknowledged understanding. Without any written record it's basically their word against yours. Not impossible for them to use but significantly weaker than documented written warnings.

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ok so verbal only kind of puts me in a better position than i thought. i was assuming warnings were warnings regardless

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Right. And even documented written warnings don't necessarily mean you'll be denied unemployment - it's still about whether what you did rises to the level of willful misconduct under California law. Plenty of people with written warnings on their file still get approved.

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UPDATE FOR OP: I was following this thread because my situation was similar. Filed 4 weeks ago after being fired, had adjudication, just got my determination letter today - APPROVED. If anyone is in the same boat just wanted to give some hope. The wait is brutal but the system does work.

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Congratulations!! This genuinely made my day. I'm at week 2 of adjudication so hopefully I'm getting closer too.

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The determination letter comes with a retroactive payment for all the weeks you certified during the wait period. So don't skip those weekly certifications - that's your back pay!

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This whole thread is so helpful. Just filed my claim an hour ago. Fingers crossed for all of us going through this.

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