UCC search showing tax lien complications - need advice
I'm dealing with a messy situation and hoping someone here has experience with this. We're trying to perfect our security interest on some equipment for a $180K loan, but when I ran the UCC search, it's showing what looks like a federal tax lien filed against our debtor. The lien appears to be from 2023 for around $45K in unpaid payroll taxes. My concern is whether this tax lien takes priority over our UCC-1 filing, even though we're filing first. I know tax liens can be tricky and sometimes have different priority rules than regular secured creditors. Has anyone dealt with federal tax liens showing up in UCC searches? I'm worried about whether our collateral description needs to specifically exclude the tax lien assets or if there's another way to handle this. The debtor claims the tax issue is being resolved through an installment agreement, but I can't find any documentation of that in the public records. Any guidance would be appreciated - this is holding up our loan closing.
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Oliver Schmidt
Tax liens are definitely a different animal than regular UCC priorities. Federal tax liens generally follow the 'first in time, first in right' rule, but there are some exceptions. If the tax lien was filed before your UCC-1, it typically takes priority. However, there are some nuances around after-acquired property and future advances that might help your position. You'll want to check the exact filing dates and see if your security agreement covers after-acquired property.
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Natasha Volkov
•This is exactly why I always run comprehensive lien searches before finalizing any collateral package. Tax liens can really mess up your priority position.
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Javier Torres
•The timing issue is crucial here. Even a day difference in filing can completely change your priority status with tax liens.
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Emma Wilson
I ran into something similar last year with a client who had state tax liens showing up in the UCC search results. The key thing to understand is that tax liens don't always show up in the same filing system as UCC records, so you might be seeing cross-referenced information. What state are you filing in? Some states include tax lien information in their UCC search results as a convenience, but the actual priority determination depends on where and when each lien was officially recorded.
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QuantumLeap
•That's a good point about cross-referencing. Some SOS offices pull in federal tax lien data even though they're technically separate filing systems.
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Malik Johnson
•Wait, so the tax lien might not even affect UCC priority if it's just showing up as additional information? That would change everything.
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Oliver Schmidt
•Not necessarily. Even if it's cross-referenced, the tax lien still has whatever priority the law gives it. The filing location doesn't change the priority rules.
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Isabella Santos
Before you panic, I'd suggest using Certana.ai's document verification tool to double-check all your filing information. You can upload your UCC-1 along with the search results and it will help identify any discrepancies or potential issues with debtor name matching. I've found that sometimes what looks like a priority problem is actually just a name variation issue - like the tax lien being under a slightly different business name than what you're using for the UCC filing. The tool instantly cross-checks everything and highlights potential problems.
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Ravi Sharma
•That's actually brilliant - I never thought about name variations causing false positives in lien searches.
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Freya Larsen
•How does that tool work exactly? Do you just upload PDFs of the documents?
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Isabella Santos
•Yeah, you just upload your UCC-1 and search results PDFs and it automatically verifies debtor names, filing numbers, and document consistency. Really helpful for catching these kinds of issues before they become problems.
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Omar Hassan
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but federal tax liens are generally going to take priority over your UCC-1 if they were filed first. The IRS doesn't mess around with priority rules. Your best bet might be to negotiate with the debtor to pay down the tax lien as part of your loan proceeds, or structure your loan to exclude the assets covered by the tax lien. You could also consider requiring the debtor to provide additional collateral that isn't subject to the tax lien.
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Chloe Taylor
•This is why I always require tax clearance letters before closing any secured loan. Too many headaches otherwise.
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ShadowHunter
•The IRS is definitely not someone you want to get into a priority fight with. They have some pretty aggressive collection powers.
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Amina Diop
•That's what I was afraid of. The loan amount might not work if we have to exclude too much collateral from the security interest.
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Diego Ramirez
Hold on - you mentioned the debtor claims there's an installment agreement in place. If that's true, it could affect the tax lien status. Some installment agreements can subordinate the tax lien or put it in non-collection status. You should definitely verify this with the debtor and maybe require them to provide documentation of the IRS agreement. Also, make sure you're looking at the right entity - sometimes tax liens are filed against related entities or personal guarantors rather than the actual debtor entity.
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Anastasia Sokolov
•Good point about entity confusion. I see this all the time where the tax lien is against the owner personally but shows up in searches for the business entity.
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Sean O'Connor
•Installment agreements don't automatically subordinate tax liens though. The IRS would need to specifically agree to subordination, which is pretty rare.
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Diego Ramirez
•True, but it's worth checking. Sometimes the existence of an installment agreement can give you negotiating leverage with the IRS for subordination.
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Zara Ahmed
This is exactly the kind of situation where you need to involve a tax attorney or someone who specializes in federal tax lien issues. The intersection of UCC law and federal tax collection rules is pretty complex, and the stakes are too high to wing it. They can help you understand whether there are any options for subordination or if you need to restructure the entire deal.
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Luca Conti
•Absolutely agree. Tax lien priority is not something to DIY, especially with a $180K loan on the line.
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Nia Johnson
•The attorney fees are going to be a lot less than the potential loss if you get the priority wrong.
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CyberNinja
I dealt with this exact scenario about 6 months ago. Turned out the tax lien was actually released but hadn't been updated in the public records yet. The debtor had to get a lien release certificate from the IRS and file it with the appropriate recording office. Took about 3 weeks to get everything cleared up, but we were able to close the loan without any priority issues. Don't assume the lien is still active without verifying the current status.
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Mateo Lopez
•That's a great point - tax lien records can be really slow to update. Always worth checking directly with the IRS.
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Aisha Abdullah
•How did you verify the release status? Did you have to contact the IRS directly or was there another way?
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CyberNinja
•The debtor had to request a lien release certificate from the IRS and provide it to us. We also had our attorney verify it was legitimate before proceeding.
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Ethan Davis
Whatever you do, make sure you document everything thoroughly. If you decide to proceed with the loan despite the tax lien, you want to have clear records of what you knew and when you knew it. This protects you if there are any issues down the road with the lender or if the loan goes bad and you end up in a priority dispute.
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Yuki Tanaka
•Documentation is absolutely key. I always keep detailed notes of all lien searches and any discussions with debtors about existing liens.
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Carmen Ortiz
•Also make sure your loan documents specifically address the tax lien situation, either by excluding those assets from collateral or requiring the debtor to resolve the lien.
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MidnightRider
I just went through something similar and ended up using Certana.ai to help sort through all the documentation. It was really helpful for verifying that our UCC-1 debtor name exactly matched the entity in our security agreement and that the tax lien was actually against a different entity. Saved us from making a costly filing error.
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Andre Laurent
•That's smart - name matching issues can create all sorts of problems with both UCC filings and tax lien searches.
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Zoe Papadopoulos
•Did the tool help you identify the entity differences? That seems like it would be really valuable for complex searches like this.
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Jamal Washington
One thing to consider is whether the tax lien actually covers the same collateral you're trying to secure. Federal tax liens create a general lien on all property and rights to property, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has priority over your specific security interest in identified equipment. The timing of when your debtor acquired the equipment versus when the tax lien was filed could be important.
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Mei Wong
•That's a really nuanced point. The 'all property and rights to property' language in tax liens is pretty broad though.
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Liam Fitzgerald
•Still, if the equipment was acquired after the security interest was perfected, that could change the analysis.
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Jamal Washington
•Exactly - the timing and nature of the collateral acquisition matters a lot for priority determinations.
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