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Nia Johnson

UCC lien search Virginia - missing liens showing up after closing

Really need some guidance here. We closed on equipment financing last month and our lender is now saying there's an existing UCC lien that didn't show up in our initial Virginia SCC search. The debtor name matches exactly but somehow this lien was invisible during our pre-closing search. Now we're scrambling to figure out if our UCC-1 filing is even valid or if we're in second position. Has anyone dealt with Virginia SCC database issues where liens don't appear immediately? This is a $185k deal and I'm getting heat from management about how we missed this. The existing lien was filed 3 months ago so it should have been visible. Are there specific search techniques for Virginia that I'm missing?

CyberNinja

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Virginia SCC can be tricky with their indexing delays. Did you search under all possible debtor name variations? Even small punctuation differences can cause liens to not show up in searches.

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Nia Johnson

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We searched the exact legal entity name from the Articles of Inc. Should we have been doing broader searches?

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CyberNinja

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Always search with and without punctuation, abbreviated vs full words, etc. Virginia's system is notoriously sensitive to exact matches.

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Mateo Lopez

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I've seen this happen with Virginia filings. Sometimes there are processing delays or the previous filer used slightly different debtor name formatting. What was the exact filing date of the lien that didn't show up?

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Nia Johnson

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The hidden lien was filed February 15th, we searched March 20th, and closed April 8th. Should have been plenty of time for indexing.

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Mateo Lopez

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That's definitely long enough. Sounds like a name variation issue or possibly the other filer had an error that got corrected later.

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This exact thing happened to me last year! Turned out the first filer had a typo in the debtor name that got amended after our search but before our filing.

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Ethan Davis

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Before you panic about priority position, you might want to verify all the document details match up properly. I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool after getting burned on a similar situation. You can upload your UCC-1 and the mystery lien to instantly check for any discrepancies in debtor names, addresses, or collateral descriptions. Sometimes what looks like a priority issue is actually just a different entity or different collateral altogether.

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Nia Johnson

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Interesting - does that tool work with Virginia SCC documents specifically?

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Ethan Davis

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Yes, you just upload the PDFs and it automatically cross-checks all the key fields. Super helpful for catching name variations that might not be obvious to the eye.

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Yuki Tanaka

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That sounds really useful for these kinds of situations where you need to verify document consistency quickly.

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Carmen Ortiz

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Virginia's online system has been having intermittent issues this year. I'd recommend calling the SCC directly to confirm the filing dates and indexing status. Sometimes manual verification reveals system glitches.

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MidnightRider

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Agree with calling them. The phone reps can usually explain why something didn't show up in the online search.

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Nia Johnson

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Good point. I'll try calling tomorrow morning to get their take on what happened.

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Andre Laurent

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This is exactly why I ALWAYS do multiple searches with different name formats before any major filing. Virginia, Delaware, and a few other states are notorious for this kind of thing.

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What specific name variations do you typically search in Virginia?

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Andre Laurent

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Full legal name, abbreviated versions, with/without commas, LLC vs L.L.C., Inc vs Incorporated, etc. Takes extra time but prevents these nightmare scenarios.

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This is solid advice. I learned this lesson the hard way on a real estate deal.

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Mei Wong

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Check if the prior lien was originally rejected and then corrected/refiled. That could explain why it wasn't visible during your search window but appears now.

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Nia Johnson

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How would I verify that kind of filing history?

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Mei Wong

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The SCC should have records of any rejected filings and subsequent corrections. Definitely worth asking when you call them.

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Had something similar happen in Virginia last year. Turned out the debtor had filed a name change with the state that hadn't been updated in our corporate database yet. The UCC was filed under the new name while we were searching the old one.

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PixelWarrior

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That's a good catch. Corporate name changes can definitely create these blind spots in lien searches.

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Nia Johnson

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I'll check if there were any recent corporate filings that might have changed the entity name.

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Amara Adebayo

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This is why some lenders require updated corporate searches right before closing, not just at application.

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Virginia SCC's search function is honestly terrible compared to other states. You basically have to search every possible combination to be sure you're not missing anything.

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Completely agree. Their interface hasn't been updated in years and it shows.

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Dylan Evans

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At least it's better than trying to search paper records like the old days!

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Sofia Gomez

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If you determine you're actually in second position, you'll need to decide whether to proceed with the deal or renegotiate terms. What type of collateral are we talking about?

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Nia Johnson

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It's manufacturing equipment - mostly stamping presses and assembly line components. The other lien appears to be on general business assets though.

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Sofia Gomez

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You might be okay then if the collateral descriptions don't overlap significantly. Worth having legal review the specific language.

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StormChaser

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Definitely get legal involved at this point. Priority disputes can get messy quickly.

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Dmitry Petrov

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This is why I always run a final lien search the day before funding, even if we did one recently. Systems can change and new filings appear constantly.

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Ava Williams

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Smart practice. The small cost of an extra search is nothing compared to discovering priority issues after closing.

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Nia Johnson

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Lesson learned for sure. We'll definitely implement day-before searches going forward.

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