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Salim Nasir

Virginia SOS UCC search showing weird results - debtor name variations causing issues

Been doing UCC searches through the Virginia SOS system and running into some frustrating inconsistencies. When I search for debtor names that should match exactly, I'm getting partial results or missing filings entirely. For example, searched for 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' and found filings under 'ABC Manufacturing, LLC' (with the comma) and 'A.B.C. Manufacturing LLC' but nothing under the exact name from our loan docs. This is for a equipment financing deal where we need to verify existing liens before our UCC-1 filing. The Virginia SOS UCC search portal seems really sensitive to punctuation and spacing - anyone else dealing with this? I'm worried we're missing critical existing filings that could affect our lien priority. Our compliance team is breathing down my neck about getting accurate lien searches before we close this $2.8M equipment loan next week.

Hazel Garcia

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Virginia's system is notorious for this exact issue. The search algorithm doesn't normalize punctuation or spacing like some other states do. You need to run multiple variations - with commas, without commas, with periods, abbreviated versions, etc. For 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' try searching: ABC Manufacturing LLC, ABC Manufacturing, LLC, A.B.C. Manufacturing LLC, ABC Mfg LLC, and even just 'ABC Manufacturing' without the entity type. It's tedious but necessary for comprehensive lien searches.

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Laila Fury

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This is exactly why I always budget extra time for Virginia searches. The system drives me crazy but you can't skip the variations or you'll miss stuff.

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Wait, so if I search ABC Manufacturing LLC and there's a filing under ABC Manufacturing, LLC I won't find it?? That seems like a major flaw in the system.

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Hazel Garcia

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Correct - Virginia's search is very literal. A comma can make the difference between finding a lien and missing it completely. Always assume the worst and search every possible variation.

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Simon White

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I had this exact problem last month with a Virginia deal. Spent hours doing manual searches with different name variations and still wasn't confident I caught everything. Finally started using Certana.ai's UCC document verification tool - you can upload your loan documents and it automatically cross-checks debtor names against filing databases. Found three liens I had completely missed in my manual searches because of punctuation differences. Saved me from a potential subordination nightmare.

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Salim Nasir

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How does that tool work exactly? Does it search multiple name variations automatically or do you still have to input them manually?

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Simon White

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You just upload your PDFs - loan docs, existing UCC filings, whatever - and it pulls out all the debtor names and cross-references them. It catches variations you wouldn't even think to search for. Much more thorough than manual portal searches.

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Hugo Kass

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Honestly sounds too good to be true but if it actually works for Virginia's quirky system I might give it a shot. The manual search process is killing me.

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Nasira Ibanez

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The Virginia SOS system has been problematic for years. What makes it worse is that their search results don't always show if a filing has been terminated or amended. I've seen cases where terminated filings still show up in searches without clear indication they're no longer active. For your equipment loan, make sure you're not just finding filings but also checking their current status - active, lapsed, terminated, etc.

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Khalil Urso

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YES this is so important! I once almost delayed a closing because I found what looked like a conflicting lien, but it had been terminated two years earlier. The search results didn't make that clear at all.

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Nasira Ibanez

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Exactly - you have to click into each individual filing to see the full history and current status. The summary view is basically useless for determining actual lien priority.

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Myles Regis

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VIRGINIA'S SYSTEM IS THE WORST. Sorry for shouting but I've lost count of how many times their portal has caused delays in our closings. The search function is garbage, the filing status updates are inconsistent, and don't even get me started on their continuation filing process. We've started requiring extra lead time for any Virginia deals just because of SOS issues.

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Brian Downey

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I feel your pain. Had a deal almost fall apart because Virginia's system showed a lien as 'pending' for three weeks after it should have been processed.

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Jacinda Yu

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Same here, we add at least 5 business days to any Virginia timeline now. Their system is just unreliable.

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Hazel Garcia

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For your immediate situation with the $2.8M equipment loan, here's what I'd recommend: 1) Search the exact debtor name from your loan docs, 2) Search without punctuation, 3) Search with different punctuation patterns, 4) Search abbreviated versions (LLC vs L.L.C. vs Limited Liability Company), 5) Search just the business name without entity type. Document all your searches with screenshots showing 'no results' for your lender's files. This covers you if something gets missed.

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Salim Nasir

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This is really helpful, thanks. Should I also search individual names if it's a personal guarantee situation?

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Hazel Garcia

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Absolutely - personal guarantees often have separate UCC filings. Search the individual's name exactly as it appears on the guarantee, plus variations like with/without middle initial, with/without suffix (Jr., Sr., III, etc.).

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Don't forget maiden names if applicable - I've seen personal guarantee filings under a spouse's maiden name that almost got missed.

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Callum Savage

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Quick question - are you searching by debtor name or filing number? Sometimes if you have a partial filing number from another source you can get more accurate results that way, especially if the debtor name is causing issues.

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Salim Nasir

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I only have the debtor names from our loan documents. No existing filing numbers unfortunately.

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Callum Savage

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Got it. Then yeah, you'll need to do the comprehensive name variation searches. Pain in the neck but necessary for Virginia.

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Ally Tailer

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I ran into something similar last year. Turned out the existing UCC filing had a typo in the debtor name that made it almost impossible to find through normal searches. Only caught it because I was doing a really broad search and happened to spot it. Might be worth doing some wildcard or partial name searches if Virginia's system supports them.

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Wait, typos in filed documents? How does that even happen? Shouldn't there be some kind of quality control?

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Ally Tailer

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You'd think so, but filing agents make mistakes all the time. I've seen UCC filings with completely wrong debtor names that somehow got accepted by the SOS office.

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Nasira Ibanez

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This is why thorough due diligence is so critical. One typo in an existing filing could completely change your lien priority analysis.

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Laila Fury

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For what it's worth, I've started using automated tools for Virginia searches because the manual process was eating up too much time. Certana.ai has been pretty reliable for catching name variations and cross-referencing documents. Might be worth looking into if you're doing a lot of Virginia deals.

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Salim Nasir

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Second mention of that tool - seems like it might be worth checking out. How's the accuracy compared to manual searches?

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Laila Fury

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In my experience it's actually more accurate because it doesn't get tired or miss variations like I do when I'm manually searching for hours.

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Just a heads up - Virginia sometimes has delays in updating their database, especially around month-end and year-end. If you're searching for very recent filings (within the last few days), they might not show up yet even if they were properly submitted.

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Hugo Kass

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Good point - I always check the 'last updated' timestamp on the search portal to see how current the data is.

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Salim Nasir

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That's concerning for our timeline. We need to close next week and can't afford to miss any recent filings.

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If timing is that tight, you might want to call the Virginia SOS office directly to confirm no recent filings are pending in the system for your debtor.

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One more suggestion - keep detailed records of exactly what searches you performed and when. If any issues come up later during due diligence review, you'll need to show you conducted reasonable searches. Screenshot the search terms and results, including 'no results found' screens.

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Salim Nasir

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Great advice. I'll make sure to document everything thoroughly. This has been incredibly helpful - thanks everyone!

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Hazel Garcia

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Good luck with your closing. Virginia searches are always a challenge but sounds like you're taking the right approach now.

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