NC Secretary of State UCC Search - debtor name variations showing different results?
Has anyone else noticed inconsistencies when running UCC searches through the NC Secretary of State portal? I'm working on a due diligence package for a $2.8M equipment financing deal and getting different search results depending on how I format the debtor name. When I search "ABC Manufacturing LLC" I get 3 active filings, but "ABC Manufacturing, LLC" (with comma) returns 2 different filings plus one of the original 3. The borrower insists their legal name includes the comma but their articles of incorporation show it without. This is driving me crazy because I need to be absolutely certain about existing liens before we can close. The NC SOS search function seems really sensitive to punctuation and spacing. Anyone dealt with this kind of debtor name variation issue before? I'm worried about missing something critical that could invalidate our security interest.
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Makayla Shoemaker
Oh man, NC is notorious for this exact issue. The search algorithm there is super literal about punctuation. I always run multiple variations - with/without commas, with/without periods after LLC, even variations in spacing. You definitely want to pull the actual articles of incorporation from the corporations division to verify the exact legal name format.
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Mason Stone
•Thanks - I did pull the articles and they show "ABC Manufacturing LLC" without comma, but the borrower has been using the comma version on contracts for years. Do I need to search both ways for due diligence purposes?
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Makayla Shoemaker
•Absolutely search both. I've seen deals get held up because someone filed against a slightly different name variation. The NC system doesn't do fuzzy matching like some other states.
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Christian Bierman
This is exactly why I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool. You can upload the articles of incorporation and any existing UCC filings as PDFs and it automatically cross-checks for name consistency issues. Saved me from a major headache on a similar deal last month where the debtor name on existing filings didn't match the charter documents.
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Mason Stone
•Never heard of that tool - does it work specifically with NC filings? How accurate is it with catching these punctuation variations?
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Christian Bierman
•Yeah it works with any state's documents. Just upload your PDFs and it flags inconsistencies automatically. Much faster than manually comparing everything line by line.
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Emma Olsen
•That actually sounds really useful. I spend way too much time double-checking document consistency on complex deals.
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Lucas Lindsey
NC Secretary of State search is definitely quirky but here's what I've learned: always search the exact name from the articles first, then try common variations. Also check if there are any DBAs registered that might affect the search results. Sometimes businesses file UCCs under their DBA instead of legal name.
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Mason Stone
•Good point about DBAs - I didn't think to check that. Would a UCC filing under a DBA still be valid if it doesn't match the legal entity name exactly?
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Lucas Lindsey
•It can be valid but risky. Depends on how the debtor is identified in the security agreement. Better to be safe and search all registered names.
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Sophie Duck
UGH the NC portal drives me insane!!! Why can't they just make it search intelligently like Google? I wasted 3 hours last week because their system is so picky about formatting. And don't even get me started on how slow it is during peak hours.
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Austin Leonard
•I feel your pain. The search times out constantly and then you have to start over. So frustrating when you're trying to meet a closing deadline.
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Sophie Duck
•Exactly! And there's no way to save your search criteria so you have to re-enter everything if it crashes.
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Anita George
For what it's worth, I always do a broader search using just the first few words of the entity name, then manually review all results. Takes longer but you're less likely to miss something due to punctuation differences.
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Mason Stone
•That's smart - do you search just "ABC Manufacturing" instead of the full name?
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Anita George
•Right, then review everything that comes up starting with those words. Catches variations you might not think to search for.
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Abigail Spencer
I had this exact situation last year with a borrower in Charlotte. Turned out they had filed UCCs under three different name variations over the years. The key is being thorough with your search strategy. Document everything you searched and when.
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Mason Stone
•Three different variations? How did you catch all of them?
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Abigail Spencer
•Trial and error mostly, plus asking the borrower for copies of all their existing security agreements. That showed me what names other lenders had used.
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Logan Chiang
•This is why I always require borrowers to provide a list of all existing liens and then verify each one independently.
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Isla Fischer
Just ran into this issue yesterday. Used Certana.ai to upload our charter docs and the existing UCC-1 we found - it immediately flagged that the debtor names didn't match exactly. Saved us from filing our UCC-1 with the wrong name format.
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Mason Stone
•That's exactly what I need - something to catch these inconsistencies before they become problems. Is it pretty straightforward to use?
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Isla Fischer
•Super easy, just drag and drop the PDF files and it does the comparison automatically. Way better than trying to catch everything manually.
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Miles Hammonds
Been doing NC UCC work for 15 years and the search function hasn't improved much. Pro tip: if you're really concerned about missing something, consider hiring a professional search company for high-dollar deals. They have access to better tools and databases.
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Mason Stone
•At what dollar threshold do you typically recommend professional searches? This deal is $2.8M.
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Miles Hammonds
•For anything over $2M I usually recommend it, especially if there are any red flags like name variations or complex corporate structures.
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Ruby Blake
Quick question - are you also checking federal tax liens? Those won't show up in the UCC search but could still affect your priority position.
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Mason Stone
•Good reminder - yes, we always check federal and state tax liens separately. This borrower came back clean on those searches.
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Micah Franklin
•Smart. I've seen deals where everyone focused on UCCs and missed a big tax lien that ended up taking priority.
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Ella Harper
One more thing to consider - if you find discrepancies, you might want to file continuation statements or amendments to clean up any name issues on existing filings before you file your new UCC-1. Better to be safe than sorry.
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Mason Stone
•Can you file amendments to UCCs you didn't originally file? I thought only the secured party of record could do that.
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Ella Harper
•You're right - only the secured party can amend. I meant more like having the borrower contact their existing lenders to clean things up if needed.
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Miles Hammonds
•Or include language in your security agreement that addresses the name variations and requires the debtor to use the exact legal name going forward.
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