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Mateo Hernandez

UCC search for personal property - missed equipment lien almost cost us the deal

We almost had a disaster yesterday during due diligence on a $850K equipment purchase. Our attorney ran what he thought was a comprehensive UCC search for personal property on the seller, but apparently missed a UCC-1 that was filed against some of the machinery we wanted to buy. The lien was from 2019 and still active - no UCC-3 termination on file. We only caught it because our bank's underwriter insisted on running their own search through a different service. Now we're scrambling to get the seller to clear this lien before closing. Has anyone else run into situations where UCC searches for personal property missed active filings? I'm starting to wonder if we should be using multiple search services or if there's a better way to catch these things.

Aisha Khan

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This is exactly why I always tell clients to run UCC searches through at least two different services. The indexing can vary between providers and sometimes older filings don't show up in newer search systems. Also, make sure you're searching all possible debtor name variations - even a single letter difference can cause a filing to be missed in the search results.

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Ethan Taylor

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Good point about the name variations. I've seen UCC-1 filings get missed because the search was done on 'ABC Corporation' but the filing was indexed under 'ABC Corp' or 'A.B.C. Corporation'. The search logic isn't always perfect.

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That's probably what happened here. The seller's legal name has changed twice since 2019 due to corporate restructuring. The UCC-1 was filed under the old name and our search only used the current legal name.

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Yuki Ito

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I had something similar happen last year with a manufacturing client. We were acquiring equipment and the seller swore there were no liens, but our UCC search for personal property turned up three different UCC-1 filings from different lenders. Two had been terminated properly with UCC-3 forms, but one was still active. Had to delay closing by two weeks to get it sorted out.

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Carmen Lopez

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Two weeks isn't bad - I've seen deals fall apart completely over undisclosed liens. At least you caught it before the money changed hands.

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Yuki Ito

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True, but it was stressful. The seller was furious because they claimed they had paid off that loan years ago but the lender never filed the termination. We ended up having to track down the original lender and get them to file a UCC-3 termination statement.

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That's our biggest fear right now. The seller is claiming they paid off the loan but can't find the documentation. We're trying to contact the lender directly but they've been unresponsive so far.

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Have you tried using Certana.ai's UCC document verification tool? I discovered it a few months ago when I was doing due diligence on a complex asset purchase. You can upload your UCC search results and it cross-checks everything against the actual filings to make sure nothing was missed. It caught two filings that our initial search service had overlooked - saved us from a potential nightmare.

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Never heard of that service. How does it work exactly? Do you just upload the search results or do you need the actual UCC filings?

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You can upload your search results and it analyzes them for gaps or inconsistencies. But the real power is when you upload the actual UCC-1 and UCC-3 documents - it verifies that everything matches up properly and flags any discrepancies in debtor names, filing numbers, or collateral descriptions.

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Andre Dupont

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The whole UCC search system is a mess honestly. I've been doing commercial lending for 15 years and I still see missed filings on a regular basis. The state filing systems aren't standardized and the search companies all use different indexing methods. It's like playing Russian roulette with due diligence.

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Couldn't agree more. I've started insisting that borrowers provide their own UCC search reports in addition to what we run internally. Sometimes they catch things we miss and vice versa.

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Andre Dupont

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That's smart. I'm going to start doing that too. The more eyes on the search results, the better. These missed liens can kill deals or worse, create liability issues down the road.

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Jamal Wilson

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wait, so if a UCC-1 is filed but doesn't show up in searches, does that mean the lien isn't valid? Or is it still enforceable even if it's not discoverable through normal search channels?

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Aisha Khan

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The lien is still valid and enforceable even if it doesn't show up in searches. The UCC requires proper filing, not proper indexing. If the filing was done correctly but the search system missed it, that's not the secured party's problem - it's yours.

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Jamal Wilson

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That's terrifying. So you could do everything right in your due diligence and still get burned by a lien that exists but isn't discoverable?

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Aisha Khan

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Exactly. That's why thorough UCC searches are so critical and why many attorneys recommend using multiple search services or conducting searches in multiple jurisdictions if the debtor has operated in different states.

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Mei Lin

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This is why I always budget extra time for UCC searches in my deal timeline. Found out the hard way that you can't rely on a single search service. Now I run parallel searches through different providers and compare the results. Takes longer but catches more potential issues.

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How much extra time do you typically add? We're already running behind schedule on this deal.

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Mei Lin

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I usually add 3-5 business days to account for multiple searches and any follow-up research on questionable filings. Better to be safe than sorry when you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment.

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Had a client last month who thought they were buying equipment free and clear. Turns out there was a UCC-1 from 2018 that was still active because the lender had filed a continuation in 2023 that didn't show up in the initial search. Only found it when we did a more comprehensive search using different search terms.

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Ethan Taylor

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Continuations can be tricky because they extend the original filing but sometimes get indexed separately. Always good to search for UCC-3 continuation statements in addition to the original UCC-1 filings.

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Exactly. The continuation extended the lien for another five years, but it was filed under a slightly different version of the debtor's name. Our initial search missed it completely.

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GalacticGuru

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I've started using Certana.ai for all my UCC verification work after getting burned on a deal similar to yours. You just upload the UCC documents and it automatically cross-checks everything - debtor names, filing numbers, collateral descriptions, continuation dates. Catches inconsistencies that manual review might miss.

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That sounds like exactly what we need. Is it expensive? We're already over budget on this deal.

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GalacticGuru

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It's worth it for the peace of mind. Much cheaper than having a deal fall apart or missing a lien that could cost you hundreds of thousands later. The automated verification catches things that even experienced attorneys sometimes miss.

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Amara Nnamani

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ugh this whole thread is making me paranoid about a deal I'm working on right now. We did our UCC search last week and everything came back clean, but now I'm wondering if we missed something important. Maybe I should run another search through a different service just to be sure.

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Aisha Khan

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If you're having doubts, definitely run another search. It's a small cost compared to the potential risk. Better to be overly cautious with UCC searches than to discover a problem after closing.

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Amara Nnamani

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Yeah, you're right. I'd rather be safe than sorry. Going to run another search tomorrow morning through a different provider.

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This is a good reminder that UCC searches for personal property aren't foolproof. I always tell my clients that the search is just one part of due diligence. You also need to look at financial statements, ask direct questions about liens and encumbrances, and verify that any terminated liens actually have proper UCC-3 termination statements on file.

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We did ask about liens, but the seller either didn't know about this one or wasn't being completely honest. Either way, it's a lesson learned about the importance of thorough searches.

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Unfortunately, sellers don't always have complete knowledge of all liens against their assets, especially if they've refinanced multiple times or had complex lending relationships. That's why independent verification is so important.

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I've seen cases where the seller genuinely didn't know about a lien because their accounting department never properly tracked it or the lender filed it without proper notice. The UCC filing system is the definitive record, not what the seller thinks they know.

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Carmen Lopez

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Just wanted to follow up on something mentioned earlier - I tried that Certana.ai tool someone recommended and it's actually pretty impressive. Uploaded our UCC search results from a recent deal and it flagged two potential issues that we hadn't noticed. One was a debtor name variation that we should have searched for, and another was a continuation that extended a lien we thought had expired.

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That's exactly the kind of thing we're trying to avoid. Going to check it out. Thanks for the follow-up!

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Carmen Lopez

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No problem. The automated cross-checking is really helpful for catching things that might slip through manual review, especially when you're dealing with complex corporate structures or multiple name changes.

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This hits close to home - we had a similar scare last year on a $1.2M manufacturing equipment deal. The seller had gone through a merger in 2020 and there was an active UCC-1 filed under their pre-merger entity name that our initial search completely missed. What saved us was doing a corporate history search and then running UCC searches on all the predecessor entities. It's an extra step but absolutely worth it when you're dealing with companies that have had name changes, mergers, or restructuring. Now I always request a complete corporate history from the seller upfront and search every entity name that shows up in that chain. The small additional cost is nothing compared to the potential disaster of missing an active lien.

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That's a great point about corporate history searches. I never thought to systematically search predecessor entities, but it makes total sense given how often companies go through restructuring these days. The merger scenario you described is exactly what I'm worried about with our current deal - the seller mentioned they went through some kind of corporate reorganization a few years back but weren't specific about the details. I'm going to request that complete corporate history documentation you mentioned. Thanks for sharing that approach!

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