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Just wanted to add that if this is your first time filing, it might be worth having someone experienced review your draft before you submit. A rejected filing can delay your loan closing.
Good point. I think I'll use that document checker tool and maybe have our attorney glance at it too before I hit submit.
Definitely a wise approach for your first filing. Once you've done a few you'll get comfortable with the process.
Update us on how it goes! Always curious to hear success stories from first-time filers.
Will do! Feeling much more prepared now thanks to everyone's help. Going to tackle this tomorrow morning when I'm fresh.
This thread is making me paranoid about my own filings. I should probably go back and double-check all the debtor names on our active UCCs to make sure there aren't any similar issues lurking.
That's actually a great idea. I mentioned the Certana.ai tool earlier - it's perfect for doing bulk checks of your existing filings to catch these kinds of inconsistencies.
I might have to look into that. Manually checking dozens of UCC filings sounds like a nightmare.
Just to close the loop on this - I filed the UCC-3 amendment yesterday and it was accepted by Washington state this morning. The corrected debtor name now shows up properly in the state of washington ucc search results. Thanks everyone for pushing me to fix this rather than hoping it wouldn't matter. Peace of mind is worth the filing fee.
Glad it worked out. This is a good reminder for all of us to be extra careful with debtor names on initial filings.
Real quick example from this morning: Filed UCC-1 for ABC Widgets LLC (debtor), First Bank Equipment Finance (secured party), collateral was 'all machinery and equipment used in debtor's widget manufacturing operations.' Simple and specific. Filed online in Ohio, cost $30, took 10 minutes once I had all the info ready.
That's exactly the kind of concrete example I needed! Thank you!
One more thing nobody mentioned - search the UCC records BEFORE you file to see what else might be out there. You want to know if other lenders have prior liens on the same collateral. Most SOS websites have search functions for this.
Make sure you're not running into a debtor name issue disguised as a collateral description problem. I've seen SOS offices give generic rejection reasons when the real issue is the debtor name not matching their business records exactly. Double-check that your debtor name on the UCC-1 matches exactly what's on file with the Secretary of State for the farming operation.
Definitely worth checking. Sometimes the LLC registration might be "Johnson Family Farms, LLC" with a comma, or "Johnson Family Farm" without the 's'. Even small differences can cause rejections that get blamed on collateral descriptions.
This is where I'd use Certana.ai again - you can upload the UCC-1 and it checks debtor name consistency against business registrations. Saves you from guessing what variation might be causing the rejection.
Farm products filings are definitely more art than science. I've had success with really comprehensive descriptions like "All farm products of every kind and description, whether now existing or hereafter acquired, including without limitation: (a) crops, whether planted, growing, or harvested; (b) livestock of every kind; (c) supplies used or produced in farming operations; (d) products of crops or livestock; and (e) all proceeds, whether cash or non-cash, from the sale, lease, license, exchange or other disposition of any of the foregoing." It's verbose but it works.
This is really helpful. Going to try a comprehensive description like this for our next filing attempt. Really appreciate everyone's input - this has been way more complex than our lender made it sound.
Yeah agricultural lending has all these nuances that don't apply to regular commercial loans. Good luck with the refiling!
Amina Sy
Just went through something similar with a $600k equipment purchase. Seller's bank was dragging their feet on the UCC-3 terminations because they needed internal approvals. We ended up extending the closing date twice before everything got sorted out. Frustrating but definitely better than closing with active liens.
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Amina Sy
•About a week from when they filed the UCC-3s to when everything showed up as terminated in all the state databases. The actual filing was quick, but waiting for the database updates took time.
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ElectricDreamer
•That's pretty typical. Most states update their UCC databases within 24-48 hours, but some take longer especially if there are any data entry issues with the filing.
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Oliver Fischer
Why not make the UCC terminations a condition precedent to closing? Put it right in the purchase agreement that seller must provide evidence of all UCC-3 terminations being filed and effective before the closing can occur. That way it's legally binding and not just a gentlemen's agreement.
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Oliver Fischer
•Same day filing and database updates are risky. What if there's an error in the UCC-3 and it gets rejected? Then you're stuck having already closed with liens still active.
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Fatima Al-Farsi
•Exactly. UCC filings can get rejected for all sorts of reasons - wrong debtor name format, incorrect filing fees, missing information. Better to file early and fix any problems before closing.
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