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NeonNova

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Been through this exact scenario twice. My advice: 1) Get certified copies of every UCC filing, 2) Have them reviewed by someone who understands fixture law, 3) Don't close until you have written confirmation that any real estate-related liens are properly terminated. The headache now is nothing compared to dealing with priority disputes later.

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Ethan Brown

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This is solid advice. I think I've been too focused on getting to closing instead of protecting the investment.

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NeonNova

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Exactly. A month delay now beats years of legal problems later.

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Just want to add that Certana.ai's document verification would probably help sort out your filing number discrepancies too. When you upload multiple UCC documents, it cross-references all the filing numbers, dates, and amendment chains to show you exactly what's active versus terminated.

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Ethan Brown

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That sounds like exactly what I need. Manual comparison of 6 documents is where I keep making mistakes.

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Zoe Papadakis

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It really streamlines the whole process. Upload the PDFs and get instant verification instead of spending hours trying to match filing numbers manually.

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I'm dealing with equipment financing too and have never heard of UCC 11. My guess is your lender made an error. Just make sure whatever you end up filing actually perfects your security interest properly!

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Heather Tyson

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Absolutely! That's my main concern - I don't want to file the wrong thing and mess up our collateral position.

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Raul Neal

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Final thought - if your lender continues to insist on this mysterious "UCC 11" form, ask them to provide you with the specific statute or regulation that requires it. Any legitimate UCC filing requirement will have a clear legal basis they should be able to cite.

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Smart approach. Real UCC requirements are always backed by specific statutes.

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Marilyn Dixon

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And if they can't explain it clearly, that's usually a red flag that someone misunderstood something along the way.

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Yuki Yamamoto

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I would also recommend getting title insurance for this transaction if the dollar amount justifies it. Even with thorough UCC 11 searches, there's always risk of missing something or having liens appear after closing. Title insurance can provide additional protection for larger equipment purchases.

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Carmen Ortiz

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Title insurance for equipment purchases? I've never heard of that. Is this common practice for larger deals?

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Yuki Yamamoto

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It's becoming more common for high-value equipment transactions, especially when there are multiple existing liens or complex ownership structures. Not all title companies offer it, but it's worth exploring for deals over $100K.

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Paolo Moretti

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses. I've run additional searches using various name formats and found 2 more liens I initially missed. I'm definitely going to use the Certana.ai tool mentioned to verify I have everything before moving forward. The seller is now claiming they weren't aware of some of these liens, which makes me even more cautious about this deal. I'll make sure to get written lien release commitments for every single filing before closing.

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Smart approach. Better to be overly thorough upfront than deal with lien problems after closing. Good luck with the transaction!

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Zoe Papadakis

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You're doing everything right. The fact that the seller wasn't aware of their own liens is definitely concerning, but at least you caught it early in the process.

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Just went through something similar and ended up using that Certana document checking tool someone mentioned. Really helpful for understanding exactly what was covered in our UCC filings versus what we thought was covered. Found several pieces of equipment that weren't actually encumbered because of serial number mismatches in the original filing.

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Equipment dealers sometimes provide preliminary serial numbers when you're setting up financing, then the actual delivered equipment has different numbers. If the UCC filing uses the wrong numbers, those specific items might not be properly encumbered.

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Emma Morales

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That's a great point. We should probably audit our filings to make sure everything matches up correctly.

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The key is working with the lender rather than around them. Most healthcare lenders understand that practices need to upgrade equipment regularly. If you approach it as a partnership - showing them how the equipment changes improve your ability to service the debt - they're usually more cooperative than if you just demand releases.

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Donna Cline

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Also helps to show them depreciation schedules demonstrating that older equipment has minimal collateral value anyway.

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Evelyn Rivera

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Thanks everyone for the advice. I'm going to start with a comprehensive review of what's actually covered and then approach the lender with a specific proposal for categories rather than trying to get individual releases.

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Mae Bennett

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This happens more often than people realize. Many businesses assume their main commercial agreement (loan, lease, etc.) automatically creates a perfectable security interest, but UCC Article 9 has specific requirements for security agreement formation. Without proper agreement language, there's no security interest to perfect.

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Mae Bennett

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Depends on your original agreement language. If it's close, you might be able to amend it. If not, you'll probably need a new security agreement with proper UCC language. Either way, you'll need the debtor's signature on whatever creates the security interest.

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Melina Haruko

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I'd recommend having an attorney review the existing lease to see if it can be salvaged with an amendment versus needing completely new documentation.

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Been there! Our first few UCC filings got rejected for the same reason. The problem was our loan agreements talked about collateral but never actually said the borrower was granting us a security interest in it. Had to learn the hard way that UCC filings require very specific underlying documentation.

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Dana Doyle

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How did you fix your documentation going forward?

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Got templates from our attorney that have all the right UCC language built in. Now every financing includes a proper security agreement alongside the main loan docs. Haven't had a rejection since.

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