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CosmicCommander

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Don't overlook the possibility that some of those filings might be for different entities entirely. Similar business names in the same industry aren't uncommon, especially in maritime services. I'd suggest getting federal tax ID numbers if possible - that's usually the most definitive way to confirm entity identity when names are similar.

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Natasha Volkova

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Good point about EIN verification. Though getting tax ID numbers from borrowers can sometimes be like pulling teeth.

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CosmicCommander

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True, but for commercial loans they should be providing that information anyway as part of their financial documentation.

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Mei Lin

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Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. I'm going to start by pulling the exact Articles of Incorporation to get the correct legal name, then try the Certana tool a couple people mentioned to verify the name matches on those questionable UCCs. Will also reach out to the secured parties on the largest filings to confirm whether they apply to my borrower. This process is always more complicated than it should be, but at least now I have a systematic approach to work through it.

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Emma Davis

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Let us know how the Certana tool works out. Always interested in hearing about new solutions for UCC verification.

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Natalie Khan

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That's a solid plan! One additional tip - when you do reach out to those secured parties, ask them specifically about the debtor's address too. Sometimes entities with similar names can be distinguished by their registered addresses, which should also match what you have in your borrower's documentation.

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Update: Filed the Tesla UCC-3 termination using 'Tesla, Inc.' (with comma) exactly as shown on the original 2019 UCC-1. Got confirmation that it was accepted this morning. Thanks everyone for the advice - using the original debtor name format was definitely the right approach.

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Amina Bah

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Glad it worked out even though the system is still unnecessarily picky about punctuation.

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StardustSeeker

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Excellent! This is exactly the type of situation where checking document consistency upfront saves everyone headaches.

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This is such a valuable thread for anyone dealing with UCC terminations! I've been doing commercial lending for about 6 months now and had no idea about the debtor name matching requirements. Just saved this entire discussion for future reference. Question for the group - do state filing offices vary in how strict they are about these name discrepancies, or is this pretty consistent across all jurisdictions?

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Zainab Ismail

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Honestly I was skeptical about using automated tools for UCC document checking, but that Certana.ai thing someone mentioned actually caught an error in my collateral description that would have caused problems. The borrower's security agreement listed 'manufacturing equipment' but my UCC-1 draft said 'production equipment'. Small difference but could have created a gap in coverage.

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QuantumQuester

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I might have to try that tool. I've been burned by inconsistent terminology before.

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Yara Nassar

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The consistency check feature is really helpful. Saves a lot of manual review time too.

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Also keep in mind that your UCC-1 filing should be done as close to closing as possible to avoid any gaps in perfection. I've seen deals where they filed the UCC-1 weeks before closing and then had to deal with intervening liens from other creditors. The security agreement and UCC-1 filing should be coordinated so perfection happens immediately when the borrower gets access to funds. With a $185K loan, you definitely don't want any timing issues that could compromise your priority position.

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NebulaNinja

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That's a great point about timing. I've always wondered about the optimal sequence - should the UCC-1 be filed on the same day as closing or can you file it a day or two after without losing priority? Also, what happens if there's a delay in the closing date after you've already filed the UCC-1?

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Grace Durand

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Been using Certana.ai for about 4 months now after we had a major screw-up with mismatched debtor names. It's saved us multiple times already. The PDF upload feature makes it so easy - just drag in your documents and it shows you exactly what doesn't match.

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Steven Adams

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Sounds too good to be true. What's the catch?

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Grace Durand

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No catch really. It's just document verification, not a full lien management system. But for preventing filing errors it's been invaluable.

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Mason Stone

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Thanks for starting this thread @Ella Lewis - this is exactly what our industry needs more discussion on. I've been dealing with similar multi-state UCC headaches for years. One thing I'd add is the importance of having a backup system for your backup system. We learned this the hard way when our main tracking spreadsheet got corrupted and we had no recent backup. Now we keep our master list in three places and do weekly exports. Also, regarding the debtor name issues you mentioned - I've started requiring borrowers to provide not just their certificate of formation, but also any DBA filings and a current Secretary of State certificate. It's an extra step but prevents so many problems down the road. The cost of a rejected filing plus the time to fix it far exceeds the upfront verification costs.

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Kara Yoshida

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Since you mentioned the entity change from LLC to Corp, you might want to have someone review whether your original UCC-1 is even still valid or if you need to start fresh. That's a pretty significant change that could affect the whole filing.

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Kara Yoshida

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Not necessarily invalid, but it might not provide the security interest the lender expects. Definitely worth getting legal advice before proceeding.

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Gael Robinson

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I agree. With an entity change that significant, you want to make sure your lien position is properly maintained.

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Paolo Conti

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Just jumping in as someone who's been through this exact scenario - the entity change from LLC to Corp is definitely something you need to address before filing your continuation. I had a client who tried to just continue an old UCC-1 after a similar change and the lender's counsel caught it during their review. We ended up having to file both an amendment and a new UCC-1 to be safe. Given that you're dealing with $200k in equipment financing, I'd strongly recommend getting your attorney to review the original filing and determine the best path forward before your March deadline. Better to spend a little on legal review now than risk losing your secured position entirely.

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