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Javier Mendoza

What reasons qualify for unemployment benefits in Washington - need help understanding eligibility

I'm trying to figure out if I qualify for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD and I'm really confused about what reasons actually make you eligible. I got let go from my retail job last month but my manager said it was due to 'performance issues' even though I think it was really because they were cutting hours and needed to reduce staff. Does this count as being fired for cause or laid off? I've been working for 2 years and paid into the system but I don't want to file if I'm just going to get denied. Can someone explain what reasons actually qualify you for UI benefits in Washington?

The main qualifying reasons for Washington ESD unemployment are: laid off due to lack of work, reduction in force, plant closure, or fired for reasons that aren't considered 'misconduct.' Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless it was willful or deliberate. If they were cutting staff, that sounds more like a layoff situation even if they called it performance.

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That's what I was thinking too. They had been reducing everyone's hours for weeks before they let me go. Should I mention that in my application?

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Definitely mention the hour reductions and any evidence that it was really about staffing cuts rather than your performance specifically.

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I qualified after getting laid off when my company downsized. Other reasons that work include job elimination, seasonal work ending, temporary work ending, and even some cases where you quit for 'good cause' like unsafe working conditions or significant changes to your job.

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Wait, you can get unemployment if you quit? I thought that automatically disqualified you.

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Only in specific situations like harassment, unsafe conditions, or if your employer significantly changed your job terms. It's called 'good cause' and it's pretty strict.

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Had trouble getting through to Washington ESD to ask about my eligibility situation. Finally used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get connected to an actual agent who explained my specific case. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Really helped clarify whether my termination qualified since the circumstances were unclear.

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How much does that cost though? I'm already unemployed and don't have money to spend on phone services.

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It was worth it for me to get a definitive answer instead of guessing and potentially filing incorrectly. Saved me weeks of uncertainty.

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The key thing Washington ESD looks at is whether you're unemployed through no fault of your own. Being fired for misconduct (like theft, violence, repeatedly missing work without excuse) will disqualify you. But poor performance, personality conflicts, or being a 'bad fit' usually won't.

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What about if you get fired for being late a few times? Is that considered misconduct?

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Depends on the pattern and if you had warnings. A few isolated incidents usually isn't misconduct, but chronic attendance issues with documented warnings could be.

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ugh this system is so confusing why can't they just make it simple - if you lose your job you should get benefits period

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I get the frustration but they have to prevent fraud and make sure benefits go to people who are genuinely unemployed through no fault of their own.

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yeah i guess but still super stressful when you're already dealing with losing your income

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Update: I filed my claim and explained the whole situation about hour cuts and staff reductions. Washington ESD approved me! Thanks everyone for the advice about focusing on the business reasons rather than the performance stuff they mentioned.

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Great news! That's exactly what I hoped would happen. The hour reductions were probably the key evidence.

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Awesome! Don't forget to file your weekly claims on time and keep track of your job search activities.

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For anyone else wondering, here are the most common qualifying reasons: layoff/reduction in force, business closure, end of temporary/seasonal work, fired for non-misconduct reasons, constructive discharge (forced to quit), and certain medical/family situations under specific circumstances.

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What's constructive discharge? Never heard that term before.

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When your employer makes working conditions so bad that a reasonable person would have to quit. Like drastically cutting your hours, changing your schedule without notice, or creating a hostile environment.

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I got denied initially because they said I was fired for cause but I appealed and won. Sometimes Washington ESD makes the wrong decision on the first review, especially if the employer gives misleading information about why you were terminated.

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How long did the appeal take? I'm in a similar situation and considering appealing my denial.

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About 6 weeks from filing the appeal to getting the hearing decision. Worth it though - I got all my back benefits.

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Don't forget about the work history requirements too. You need sufficient wages in your base period. I think it's something like $5,000 in the past year or a certain amount in your highest quarter.

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Yeah I had enough wages but they were scattered across multiple part-time jobs. Washington ESD still counted all of them toward my base period wages.

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Just to add - if you're unsure about your specific situation, it's usually better to file anyway. Washington ESD will investigate and make a determination. You won't get in trouble for filing if you genuinely thought you qualified.

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This is good advice. I was worried about filing and getting accused of fraud but my situation was legitimate.

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Exactly why I used Claimyr to talk to an agent first - wanted to make sure I understood my situation before filing.

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Another thing - if you were working reduced hours and then got laid off completely, that might actually help your case since it shows the business was struggling and cutting back.

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That's exactly what happened to me and you're right, it definitely helped my case when I explained it in my application.

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My brother got unemployment after being fired from his warehouse job for 'not meeting productivity standards' but really they were just cleaning house. The key was showing it wasn't willful misconduct but rather a business decision.

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Similar thing happened at my old company. They fired a bunch of people for 'performance' but really just wanted to cut payroll.

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Yeah it's pretty common unfortunately. Companies sometimes try to make layoffs look like firings to avoid paying into the UI system.

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Quick question - does it matter what industry you worked in? I was in food service and wondering if that affects eligibility somehow.

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Industry doesn't matter for basic eligibility. As long as your employer paid into the Washington ESD system and you meet the wage/work requirements, you can qualify regardless of what type of job it was.

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Be prepared for them to contact your former employer during the investigation. My old boss tried to claim I was fired for cause but I had documentation showing otherwise and Washington ESD sided with me.

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What kind of documentation helped you? I'm worried my employer might lie about why I was let go.

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Email communications, performance reviews that were positive, any written notices about layoffs or hour reductions. Anything that contradicts their story.

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If anyone's still having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to discuss their specific situation, I second the recommendation for Claimyr. Used it last month when I couldn't get anyone on the phone after days of trying. The agent was able to review my case and explain exactly why I qualified.

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Did they help you file the claim too or just explain eligibility?

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Just explained eligibility and answered my questions about the process. I still had to file online myself, but having that clarification first made me way more confident.

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One more thing - even if you quit, there are some situations where you might still qualify. Things like domestic violence, stalking, medical issues, or if your employer violated labor laws. Don't assume you're automatically disqualified if you quit.

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Mei Lin

I had to quit my job because of harassment and Washington ESD approved my claim. It took some documentation but they recognized it as good cause.

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The bottom line is most people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own will qualify. The system is designed to help people who are genuinely unemployed, not to punish them. If you're unsure, file anyway and let Washington ESD make the determination.

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This thread has been really helpful. I was so confused about whether I qualified but now I feel confident about filing my claim.

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Same here! Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and advice.

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