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Justin Chang

What disqualifies you for unemployment in Washington ESD - need to understand my denial

Just got my determination letter from Washington ESD and I'm completely confused about why my claim was denied. The letter mentions something about 'voluntary quit without good cause' but I had to leave my job because my boss was making the workplace impossible. I thought there were certain things that automatically disqualify you but I don't really understand what they are. Can someone explain what actually disqualifies you for unemployment benefits in Washington? I want to know if I should appeal this decision or if I'm just out of luck.

Grace Thomas

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There are several main reasons Washington ESD will disqualify you for unemployment benefits. The most common ones are: 1) Quitting without good cause connected to work, 2) Being fired for misconduct, 3) Refusing suitable work without good cause, 4) Not being able and available for work, and 5) Not actively seeking work. Since you mentioned voluntary quit, that's probably what they're looking at. However, if you had good cause related to your work situation, you might be able to appeal.

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Justin Chang

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What counts as 'good cause' though? My supervisor was constantly yelling at employees and creating a hostile environment. Would that qualify?

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Grace Thomas

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Hostile work environment can potentially be good cause, but you'll need documentation. Did you report it to HR or have any written records of the behavior?

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Justin Chang

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I have some emails where I complained to my manager about it, but nothing formal to HR. Is that enough?

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The Washington ESD disqualification rules are pretty specific. For voluntary quit situations, you have to prove the work conditions were so bad that any reasonable person would have quit. Things like harassment, unsafe working conditions, significant changes to your job duties or pay, or illegal activities by the employer can qualify as good cause. But the burden of proof is on you to show why you HAD to quit.

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Dylan Baskin

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This is exactly why I used Claimyr when I had my disqualification appeal. I needed to talk to an actual Washington ESD representative to understand exactly what documentation they needed for my case. The website claimyr.com helped me get through to someone who explained the specific requirements for my situation. There's even a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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Justin Chang

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Never heard of that service but anything that helps get through to Washington ESD sounds useful. The phone lines are impossible.

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Lauren Wood

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I got disqualified last year for 'misconduct' even though I was just late a few times due to childcare issues. Apparently being late repeatedly can be considered misconduct even if you have good reasons. I didn't know that tardiness could disqualify you completely from benefits. Had to appeal and it took forever to get it sorted out.

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Ellie Lopez

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Wait, being late disqualifies you? I thought misconduct had to be something more serious like stealing or fighting.

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Lauren Wood

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Nope, misconduct includes any deliberate violation of company policies if you were warned about it. So chronic tardiness after warnings counts as misconduct in Washington ESD's eyes.

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That seems really harsh for someone with childcare issues. Did you eventually win your appeal?

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Lauren Wood

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Yes but it took 3 months and I had to provide tons of documentation about my childcare situation to prove it wasn't willful misconduct.

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Paige Cantoni

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Other things that will disqualify you include not registering with WorkSource within the required timeframe, failing to complete your weekly claims properly, not meeting the job search requirements (you need to make at least 3 job contacts per week), or having earnings that exceed your weekly benefit amount. Also if you're not physically able to work or not available for full-time work, that's an automatic disqualification.

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Justin Chang

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I didn't know about the WorkSource registration requirement! When are you supposed to do that?

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Paige Cantoni

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You're supposed to register with WorkSource within 4 weeks of filing your initial claim, unless you're on standby or have a definite recall date from your employer.

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Kylo Ren

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dont forget about the drug test thing too. if you get fired for failing a drug test or refusing to take one when required by your employer, thats an automatic disqualification. also if you commit a crime in connection with your work that gets you fired.

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Justin Chang

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None of those apply to my situation thankfully. It really does seem like the voluntary quit issue is what I need to focus on.

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The Washington ESD adjudication process for disqualifications is really thorough. They'll look at all the circumstances around why you left your job. For hostile work environment claims, they want to see that you tried to resolve the situation first (like reporting to HR) before quitting. They also look at whether the conditions were so severe that a reasonable person would quit immediately versus trying other solutions first.

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Justin Chang

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I wish I had known this before I quit. I probably should have documented more and tried going through HR first.

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You can still appeal if you have any documentation at all. Even those emails to your manager could help show that you reported the problems. The appeal process gives you a chance to present your case.

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Jason Brewer

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Definitely appeal if you think you have good cause. I was initially disqualified for voluntary quit but won my appeal hearing. Having any kind of written record of the problems really helps your case.

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I've seen people get disqualified for the weirdest reasons. Like not being available for work because they could only work certain hours due to kids, or refusing a job that paid way less than their previous one. The 'suitable work' rules are pretty strict - after a certain period you have to accept jobs that pay significantly less than what you made before.

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Liam Cortez

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How much less do you have to accept? I heard it was like 75% of your previous wage after a few weeks.

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It depends on how long you've been unemployed. In the first few weeks you can be pickier, but after 5 weeks you have to accept suitable work that pays at least 70% of your average weekly wage from your base period.

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Savannah Vin

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When I was going through my disqualification appeal, I really needed to talk to someone at Washington ESD to understand exactly what they needed from me. The website wasn't clear about the specific documentation requirements. I ended up using a service called Claimyr that helps you get through to ESD representatives - found it at claimyr.com. It was so much easier than trying to call for hours every day. They have a video that shows how it works too.

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Justin Chang

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Is that expensive? I'm already stressed about money since I'm not getting benefits.

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Savannah Vin

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It was worth it for me to get the information I needed to win my appeal. Much better than spending days trying to get through on the phone.

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Mason Stone

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Also remember that even if you're disqualified, it might not be permanent. Some disqualifications are just for a certain number of weeks, and then you can start receiving benefits again if you meet all the other requirements. But if it's a misconduct disqualification, that usually lasts until you work enough to earn a certain amount in new wages.

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Justin Chang

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My letter doesn't specify how long the disqualification is for. Does that mean it's permanent?

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Mason Stone

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Not necessarily. You should call Washington ESD to clarify, or if you can't get through, that Claimyr service others mentioned might help. You need to understand exactly what type of disqualification it is.

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The system is so confusing! I got disqualified initially because they said I wasn't actively seeking work, but I was applying to jobs every day. Turns out I wasn't logging my job search activities correctly in the system. Had to provide all my application records to prove I was actually looking for work.

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Same thing happened to me. I didn't realize you had to log every single job contact in WorkSource. I was just applying through company websites.

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Exactly! They want detailed records of every application, networking contact, job fair attendance, everything. It's a lot more paperwork than people realize.

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Emma Olsen

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Based on what you described about your workplace situation, you might have a decent chance on appeal. Hostile work environment can qualify as good cause if you can show it was severe enough. The key is proving that you had no reasonable alternative but to quit. Those emails to your manager could be important evidence.

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Justin Chang

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Should I get a lawyer for the appeal hearing or can I represent myself?

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Emma Olsen

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You can represent yourself, but having legal help or at least understanding the process better is useful. Many people do win their appeals without lawyers if they have good documentation.

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Lucas Lindsey

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Don't forget that you have a limited time to file your appeal - I think it's 30 days from the date of your determination letter. Don't wait too long to decide. Even if you're not sure about your chances, it's usually worth appealing if you think you had good cause to quit.

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Justin Chang

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Good point about the deadline. My letter is dated last week so I still have time. I think I'm going to file the appeal and see what happens.

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Sophie Duck

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Smart choice. The worst they can do is uphold the original decision, but if you win you'll get backpay for all the weeks you were denied. That could be substantial money.

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I used that Claimyr thing someone mentioned earlier when I needed help with my overpayment issue. It really does work for getting through to Washington ESD when you need to talk to an actual person about your case. Sometimes you just need clarification that you can't get from the website.

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Justin Chang

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I might try that if I need more information for my appeal. The determination letter is pretty vague about exactly what they want to see as evidence.

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