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Washington ESD separation notice - what is a separation/unemployment notice exactly?

I just got terminated from my job yesterday and my employer mentioned something about a separation notice or unemployment notice they have to send to Washington ESD. I'm completely new to this whole unemployment thing and have no idea what this means. Is this something I need to worry about? Do I need to wait for them to send it before I can file my claim? I'm really confused about the whole process and need to figure out what steps I should take next.

A separation notice is a form your employer is required to send to Washington ESD when you're terminated or laid off. It's basically their side of the story about why your employment ended. You don't need to wait for them to send it - you can file your unemployment claim right away. The separation notice just helps Washington ESD verify the reason for your job separation when they process your claim.

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Thanks! Should I be worried if my employer says something negative on it? I was let go for attendance issues but I had some legitimate reasons for missing work.

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You'll have a chance to give your side of the story when you file your claim. If there's any dispute about the separation reason, Washington ESD will investigate and you can provide documentation to support your case.

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dont wait around for your employer to do anything, file your claim asap. the separation notice is just paperwork between your employer and washington esd, has nothing to do with when you can file

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Good to know! I was worried I had to wait for some kind of approval from my old job before I could apply.

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Actually, let me clarify what happens with separation notices since there seems to be some confusion. When you're terminated, your employer has 10 days to submit a separation notice to Washington ESD explaining why you were let go. This notice includes details about your work performance, attendance, or whatever reason led to your termination. You should file your unemployment claim immediately - don't wait for this notice. However, if your employer reports that you were fired for misconduct, it could affect your eligibility for benefits.

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This is really helpful. What counts as misconduct though? I was fired for being late too many times but I had childcare issues.

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Misconduct has to be willful and work-related. If you had legitimate reasons for tardiness like childcare problems, that's usually not considered misconduct. Make sure to explain your circumstances when you file your claim.

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How much does that cost? I'm already broke from being unemployed.

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Check out claimyr.com for details. It's worth it if you're stuck and need to actually talk to someone at Washington ESD about your claim.

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THE SEPARATION NOTICE IS JUST YOUR EMPLOYER TRYING TO SCREW YOU OVER! They always lie on those things to avoid paying higher unemployment taxes. File your claim immediately and don't let them intimidate you!

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While some employers might exaggerate, the separation notice is actually a legal requirement and most employers are honest about the circumstances. Washington ESD investigates any discrepancies.

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Sure they do... after 6 months of 'adjudication' while you can't pay your bills.

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So just to make sure I understand - I can file my unemployment claim today even though I just got fired yesterday? I don't need to wait for any paperwork from my employer?

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Correct. File your claim as soon as possible. The separation notice is between your employer and Washington ESD - you don't need to see it or wait for it.

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yep file now, the longer you wait the longer it takes to get your first payment

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I remember when I got laid off I kept waiting for my employer to send me some kind of notice and it never came. Turns out I was supposed to file my claim myself and the separation notice was just something they sent directly to Washington ESD. Lost two weeks of benefits because nobody told me this!

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That's exactly what I was worried about! Good thing I asked here first.

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Yeah definitely don't make my mistake. The separation notice isn't for you to see anyway, it's just their internal paperwork explaining why you're no longer employed there.

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Quick question - if I quit my job instead of being fired, does my employer still have to send a separation notice?

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Yes, they're required to send a separation notice regardless of whether you quit, were fired, or laid off. The notice will indicate that you quit voluntarily.

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Thanks! I'm planning to quit soon and wanted to know what to expect.

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Does the separation notice affect how much unemployment money you get? Or just whether you qualify at all?

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It mainly affects whether you qualify. Your benefit amount is based on your earnings history, not the reason you left your job. However, if you're disqualified due to misconduct, you won't get any benefits at all.

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I've been trying to call Washington ESD about my separation issue for days but can never get through. The phone system just hangs up on me after being on hold forever. Anyone else having this problem?

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That's exactly why I mentioned Claimyr earlier. They specialize in getting you connected to Washington ESD agents when you can't get through on your own. Saved me hours of frustration.

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I'll check that out, thanks. This is so stressful when you can't get answers about your claim.

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What if my employer doesn't send the separation notice at all? Can they get in trouble for that?

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Employers can face penalties for not submitting required separation notices, but Washington ESD will still process your claim. They'll contact your employer directly if they need the information.

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Good to know. My old boss is pretty disorganized so I wouldn't be surprised if they forgot.

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this whole unemployment system is so confusing why cant they just make it simple

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Because they don't want people to actually get benefits! They make it complicated on purpose.

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It's complicated because they need to verify eligibility and prevent fraud. Once you understand the basics it's not too bad.

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I got fired for poor performance but I think it was actually discrimination. Should I mention that when I file my unemployment claim?

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You should definitely mention your concerns about discrimination when you file. Washington ESD will investigate if there are discrepancies between your account and your employer's separation notice.

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Should I contact a lawyer too or just deal with unemployment first?

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You can pursue both simultaneously. File your unemployment claim immediately, then consult with an employment attorney about potential discrimination claims.

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My employer told me they're going to contest my unemployment claim. Does this have to do with the separation notice?

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Yes, if they contest your claim, it's usually based on information they provided in the separation notice. They might claim you were fired for misconduct or that you quit voluntarily.

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Great, so now I have to fight them twice - once for firing me unfairly and again for trying to deny my unemployment.

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Can I see a copy of the separation notice my employer sent about me?

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You can request a copy of your separation notice from Washington ESD, though it might take some time to get it. You'll definitely see the information if your claim goes to adjudication.

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I want to make sure they didn't lie about anything on it.

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The separation notice is also called a 'separation information report' or SIR on some Washington ESD forms, just so you know if you see that acronym anywhere.

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Thanks for the heads up! All these acronyms are confusing when you're new to this.

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If I was laid off due to company downsizing, is the separation notice still important?

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It's still required, but layoffs due to lack of work are usually straightforward for unemployment eligibility. The separation notice will just confirm it was an involuntary layoff.

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That's a relief. I was worried there might be complications even with a layoff.

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I had to use one of those callback services to finally talk to someone at Washington ESD about my separation issue. Was definitely worth it since I'd been trying to call for over a week with no luck.

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Which service did you use? I might need to call them too if I run into problems.

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I used Claimyr - they got me connected to a Washington ESD agent the same day. Much better than the endless hold times.

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Bottom line for the original poster - file your unemployment claim now, don't wait for anything from your employer. The separation notice is just their paperwork to Washington ESD and won't hold up your claim filing.

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Perfect summary, thank you! I'm going to file my claim right now.

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Good luck! Make sure to file your weekly claims on time once you get approved.

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Also worth mentioning - even if your employer contests your claim based on their separation notice, you can appeal any negative decisions. Don't give up if you get denied initially.

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How long do you have to appeal if they deny your claim?

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You have 30 days from the date of the determination letter to file an appeal with Washington ESD.

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Just wanted to add one more thing that might help - when you file your claim online, there's a section where you can explain your side of the story about why your employment ended. Don't skip this part! Even though your employer will send their separation notice, Washington ESD wants to hear from you too. Be honest and detailed about the circumstances, especially if there were any issues like attendance problems due to legitimate reasons (childcare, medical issues, etc.). This information gets reviewed alongside whatever your employer reports.

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