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Self employed pay unemployment tax - Washington ESD eligibility question

I've been running my own consulting business for the past 2 years and just realized I might not be eligible for unemployment benefits if things go south. Do self employed people pay into Washington ESD unemployment insurance? I've been paying all my other taxes but I'm not sure if I'm covered for UI benefits. Really confused about how this works for independent contractors vs employees.

Generally no, self-employed individuals don't pay unemployment tax to Washington ESD unless they specifically elect to participate in the program. Regular employees have UI taxes deducted from their paychecks, but as a business owner you're not automatically covered.

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So I'm basically screwed if my business fails? That seems really unfair.

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there might be an option to opt in but i think you have to do it before you need it

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Actually, Washington state does allow self-employed individuals to elect unemployment insurance coverage, but you have to apply for it before you need it. You can't wait until your business is struggling and then try to get coverage. The program is called elective coverage and you pay premiums based on your income.

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How do I apply for this elective coverage? Is there a deadline or specific forms I need to fill out?

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You need to file an application with Washington ESD within 30 days of when you want coverage to begin. There's a specific form and you'll need to report your income quarterly.

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Mei Lin

wish i had known about this earlier, trying to contact washington esd now but their phone lines are always busy

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I tried calling Washington ESD about this exact issue last month and spent hours on hold. Finally gave up and used Claimyr to get through to someone who could actually explain the elective coverage process. Worth checking out claimyr.com if you're having trouble reaching them - they have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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Never heard of Claimyr before. Is it legitimate? I'm desperate to get through to someone at Washington ESD.

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Yeah it's legit, they basically help you get through the phone queue. I was skeptical at first but it actually worked and I got my questions answered about self-employed coverage.

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how much does that cost tho? sounds like another service trying to make money off people who cant reach government agencies

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The key thing to understand is that Washington ESD treats self-employed differently than employees. If you elect coverage, you'll pay both the employer and employee portions of the unemployment tax. It's more expensive but gives you the safety net.

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what percentage are we talking about here? is it worth it financially?

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The rate varies based on your industry and experience rating, but you're looking at around 2-6% of your reported income. Definitely worth it if you're in a volatile industry.

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wait so if i'm an independent contractor working for different companies, am i considered self employed for unemployment purposes? this is confusing as hell

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Yes, if you're filing 1099s instead of getting W-2s, you're generally considered self-employed for unemployment purposes. The companies you work for aren't paying unemployment tax on your behalf.

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great so ive been working for 3 years thinking i was covered and im not

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Same boat here. Found out the hard way when I tried to file for benefits last year.

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Mei Lin

This whole system is backwards. Self employed people are the ones who need unemployment insurance the most since we don't have steady paychecks, but we're the ones who have to jump through extra hoops to get it.

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totally agree! the whole UI system was designed for traditional employees and everyone else gets screwed

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I understand the frustration, but the system requires advance planning. You can't buy car insurance after you crash, same principle applies here.

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Does anyone know if there are income minimums or maximums for elective coverage? I make decent money some months but barely anything others.

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There is a minimum annual income requirement - I think it's around $1,000 per year. The premiums are calculated based on what you report quarterly, so variable income is handled through the reporting process.

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That's actually pretty reasonable. I definitely make more than $1,000 even in bad years.

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been trying to get through to washington esd for weeks about this elective coverage thing. their automated system keeps hanging up on me after 45 minutes on hold

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That's exactly why I ended up using Claimyr. Their system basically holds your place in line and calls you back when an agent is available. Saved me so much frustration.

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might have to try that, this is ridiculous

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I elected coverage 2 years ago and it's been worth every penny. Had to close my business temporarily during a family emergency last year and was able to collect benefits. The peace of mind alone is worth it.

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That's exactly the kind of situation I'm worried about. How long did it take to get approved for benefits once you filed your claim?

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Pretty standard process, took about 2 weeks. The main thing is making sure you've been paying premiums for at least a year before you need to claim.

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does this elective coverage work for llc owners too or just sole proprietors?

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LLC owners can elect coverage, but it depends on how you're taxed. If you're taxed as a sole proprietor (single member LLC), then yes. If you're taxed as an S-corp and paying yourself a salary, you might already be covered as an employee.

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im single member llc so sounds like i need to look into this elective coverage option

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The worst part is that if you don't elect coverage and your business fails, you might not qualify for other assistance programs either. It's like a catch-22 situation.

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exactly! and then people wonder why small businesses struggle so much

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There are other safety net programs available, but unemployment insurance is definitely the most comprehensive for income replacement.

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I tried to elect coverage after my business started struggling and was told it was too late. You really have to do this when things are going well, not when you're already in trouble.

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That's what I'm trying to avoid. Better to pay the premiums now while I can afford them than regret it later.

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exactly, learn from my mistake

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anyone know if you can cancel elective coverage if you decide you dont want it anymore?

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Yes, you can terminate elective coverage, but there are specific procedures and timing requirements. You typically need to give written notice to Washington ESD.

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good to know, makes me feel better about signing up

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This thread has been super helpful. I had no idea elective coverage was even an option. Definitely going to apply for it next month when my busy season ends.

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Same here! Going to start the application process this week.

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glad this helped someone else too, i was completely clueless about all this

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The application process isn't too complicated once you get through to someone at Washington ESD who can walk you through it. Just make sure you have your business tax records ready.

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getting through to someone is the hard part though

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That's where Claimyr comes in handy. I've recommended it to several other business owners who were having trouble reaching Washington ESD.

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One thing to keep in mind is that if you elect coverage, you'll need to file quarterly reports even if you're not making much money. It's an ongoing commitment, not just a one-time thing.

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That's fine, I already do quarterly taxes anyway. One more form isn't going to kill me.

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the reporting requirements are pretty straightforward if youre already doing business taxes

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