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If someone quits are they eligible for unemployment - Washington ESD rules?

My sister just quit her job at a retail store because her manager was making the work environment really hostile and she couldn't take it anymore. She's asking me if she can still file for unemployment benefits with Washington ESD since she technically quit instead of getting fired. I thought you had to be laid off to get UI benefits but I'm not really sure about the rules. Does anyone know if Washington ESD will approve claims for people who quit their jobs? She's worried about money and bills coming up.

Generally speaking, if you quit your job voluntarily, Washington ESD will deny your unemployment claim. However, there are exceptions if you can prove you had 'good cause' for quitting. Hostile work environment could potentially qualify, but she'll need to document everything - emails, witness statements, any HR complaints she filed, etc.

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What counts as good cause exactly? She never filed any formal complaints with HR because she was scared of retaliation.

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Good cause includes things like harassment, unsafe working conditions, significant changes to job duties or pay, or discrimination. Without documentation it's much harder to prove, but not impossible. She should still apply and explain her situation in detail.

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Your sister should definitely apply for benefits anyway. The worst they can do is deny it, but if she has a legitimate case for constructive dismissal or hostile work environment, she might get approved. Washington ESD will investigate and make a determination.

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This is exactly right. I quit my job last year due to my boss creating impossible working conditions and I got approved for UI after they investigated.

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How long did the investigation take? She needs to know if she should start looking for other income sources.

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I've been trying to get through to Washington ESD for weeks about my own claim status and it's been impossible. The phone lines are always busy and when I do get through, I get disconnected. Has anyone found a reliable way to actually talk to someone there?

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The unemployment system is so messed up. They make it impossible for people who actually need help to get through, but then they have all these complicated rules about who qualifies. Your sister probably won't get approved if she just quit without trying to work things out first.

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That's not necessarily true. If the work environment was genuinely hostile, that can be considered constructive dismissal under Washington law.

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Sure, but proving it is the hard part. Without documentation, it's just her word against theirs.

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She needs to file her claim immediately and be very detailed about why she quit. Washington ESD looks at each case individually. Key things to include: specific incidents of hostile behavior, dates if she remembers them, any witnesses, whether she tried to address it with management, and why she felt she had no choice but to quit.

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Should she mention that she was having anxiety attacks because of the situation? She was starting to have panic attacks before work.

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Absolutely. Medical documentation of stress-related symptoms can support her case. If she has any doctor visits or therapy sessions related to work stress, include that information.

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I quit my job too but for different reasons - my hours got cut to basically nothing and I couldn't afford to keep working there. Still waiting to hear back from Washington ESD about whether I qualify.

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Significant reduction in hours can qualify as good cause for quitting. That's actually a pretty strong case if your hours were cut substantially.

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Yeah they went from 35 hours a week to like 8 hours. Hopefully Washington ESD sees it that way.

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The whole system is designed to make it as hard as possible to get benefits. They'll probably deny her claim initially just to see if she'll give up and not appeal.

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That's pretty cynical. Washington ESD does investigate these cases fairly. Yes, the system has issues, but they do approve claims when there's good cause.

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Maybe you've had better luck than me. I've seen too many people get denied for legitimate reasons.

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Tell her to apply ASAP. There's a deadline for filing after you become unemployed. Even if she's not sure about qualifying, it's better to apply and get denied than to miss the deadline completely.

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Good point. How long does she have to file after quitting?

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You should file as soon as possible after becoming unemployed. There's no specific deadline, but benefits are calculated from when you file, not when you became unemployed.

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I had a similar situation with a toxic manager. What helped my case was that I had sent some emails to HR about the issues before I quit. Even though nothing came of it, it showed I tried to resolve things through proper channels first.

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She didn't email HR but she did text her sister about what was happening. Would that count as documentation?

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It's not as strong as official complaints, but any contemporaneous records of what was happening can help. Text messages, diary entries, anything with dates.

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The burden of proof is on her to show she had good cause. Washington ESD will likely contact her former employer to get their side of the story too. She needs to be prepared for them to probably deny that there were any issues.

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This is why having witnesses or documentation is so important. It's not just he-said-she-said if you have other evidence.

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Exactly. And even if the employer denies everything, if her story is consistent and detailed, Washington ESD might still approve the claim.

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Whatever she does, she needs to be completely honest on her application. If Washington ESD finds out she lied about anything, it will hurt her case badly.

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Of course she'll be honest. She's just worried about how to explain the situation properly.

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Good. The application will ask specifically why she left her job. She should use that space to give a detailed explanation of the hostile work environment.

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I successfully got unemployment after quitting due to harassment. The key was being very specific about incidents and dates. Even though I didn't have formal complaints filed, I had detailed notes about what happened when.

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How detailed should she be? She's worried about writing too much.

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Better to include too much detail than too little. Washington ESD needs to understand the full picture of why she felt she had no choice but to quit.

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If she gets denied initially, she can appeal the decision. A lot of people don't realize that and just give up after the first denial.

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Yes, the appeal process is important. Sometimes cases that get denied initially get approved on appeal when you can present more evidence or explain things better.

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Exactly. And she has 30 days to file the appeal after getting the denial notice.

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I'm dealing with Washington ESD right now about my own claim and trying to get through to them is nearly impossible. The phone system is a nightmare.

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I'll look into it. This is driving me crazy.

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The most important thing is that she files right away. Even if she's not sure about qualifying, getting the claim started is crucial. She can always provide additional information later.

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Thanks everyone. I'll tell her to file today and be as detailed as possible about what happened.

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Good plan. And make sure she keeps copies of everything she submits to Washington ESD.

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Just want to add that even if she gets approved, she'll still need to do the weekly job search requirements and file her weekly claims. Quitting doesn't change those obligations.

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She's already started job searching, so that shouldn't be a problem.

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Good. Just make sure she documents her job search activities properly for when she files her weekly claims.

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I quit my job last month because of unsafe working conditions and got approved for UI benefits. The investigation took about 3 weeks, but they did approve it once they looked into the situation.

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That gives me hope for her case. Did you have to provide a lot of documentation?

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I provided everything I could - photos of the unsafe conditions, emails to my supervisor, even statements from coworkers. The more evidence the better.

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Bottom line - she should apply. The worst that happens is they say no, but if she has a legitimate case for hostile work environment, she might get approved. Don't let fear of denial stop her from trying.

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You're right. I'll make sure she applies today. Thank you everyone for all the helpful advice!

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Good luck to her. Hope it works out.

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