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Carmen Ortiz

I quit my job can I collect unemployment - Washington ESD eligibility question

So I finally had enough of my toxic supervisor and walked out last Friday. I've been working there for 2 years and the management was just terrible - constantly changing schedules, making us work unpaid overtime, and my boss would yell at employees in front of customers. I couldn't take it anymore so I quit on the spot. Now I'm wondering if I can file for unemployment with Washington ESD since I quit instead of getting fired? I've never filed before and don't really understand how it works. Do I have any chance of getting benefits or am I screwed because I quit voluntarily?

Generally speaking, if you quit your job voluntarily, Washington ESD will consider it a disqualification for unemployment benefits. However, there are exceptions for what they call 'good cause' reasons. Things like unsafe working conditions, harassment, or significant changes to your job duties might qualify. You'd need to prove that a reasonable person would have quit under those circumstances.

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What kind of proof would I need? I don't have anything in writing about the unpaid overtime or the yelling.

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Text messages, emails, witness statements from coworkers, documentation of schedule changes, anything that shows the pattern of problems. Even if you don't have much, you should still file and explain your situation during the fact-finding interview.

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I went through something similar last year. Filed anyway and got approved after an adjudication process. The key is being able to show that you tried to resolve the issues before quitting. Did you talk to HR or your supervisor's boss about the problems?

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We don't really have HR, it's a small company. I did complain to the owner once but nothing changed.

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That actually helps your case. Document that conversation if you can remember details about when it happened and what was said.

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You should definitely file a claim with Washington ESD regardless. The worst they can do is deny it, but you might be surprised. I've seen people get approved for quitting in situations that seemed hopeless. The adjudication process can take a few weeks but it's worth trying. If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD by phone, I recently discovered this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helps you actually reach an agent. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works.

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Never heard of Claimyr before. Is it legit or just another scam?

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It's legitimate. I was skeptical too but it actually worked. Saved me hours of trying to call Washington ESD myself.

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Thanks for the tip. I'll definitely file a claim and see what happens.

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Mei Liu

The unpaid overtime thing is actually a big deal. That's wage theft and could definitely support a good cause argument for quitting. You should also file a complaint with the Department of Labor about that separately.

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How do I prove the unpaid overtime if I don't have time sheets or anything?

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Mei Liu

Your own records help - if you kept track of your hours in a notebook or phone app. Also check if any coworkers experienced the same thing and would be willing to provide statements.

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honestly the unemployment system is so messed up you never know what they'll approve or deny. i got denied when i thought i had a slam dunk case and my friend got approved for something that seemed like a long shot. just file and see what happens

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This is so true. The consistency is just not there.

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Yeah I'm starting to realize it's pretty unpredictable.

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One thing to keep in mind is that even if you get initially denied, you can appeal the decision. The appeal process gives you another chance to present your case, often with more time to gather documentation. Many people give up after the first denial but the appeal is where you might actually win.

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How long do you have to file an appeal?

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You have 30 days from the date of the determination letter to file an appeal with Washington ESD.

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And make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even while you're appealing, or you could lose benefits for those weeks if you win the appeal.

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The verbal abuse from your supervisor could also be considered a hostile work environment. If other employees witnessed it, that strengthens your case. Washington ESD looks at whether a reasonable person would continue working under those conditions.

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There were definitely other employees who saw it happen. I should reach out to them.

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Yes, get their contact info before they forget about the incidents. Time makes these things fade in people's memories.

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Whatever you do, don't lie on your application. Be honest that you quit and explain why. If they catch you being dishonest it's way worse than just being denied for quitting.

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Definitely wasn't planning to lie about it. I figure honesty is the best policy here.

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Good call. They can verify with your employer anyway so there's no point in trying to hide it.

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i quit my job too but for different reasons and got denied. ended up having to take a crappy job just to pay rent. hope you have better luck than i did

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Sorry that happened to you. Did you try appealing the decision?

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nah i needed money fast so i just took the first job i could find. probably should have appealed looking back

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Just want to emphasize again that getting through to Washington ESD can be really frustrating. I spent literally hours on hold trying to talk to someone about my claim. That Claimyr service I mentioned earlier was a game changer for actually reaching an agent when I needed clarification on my adjudication status.

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How much does something like that cost?

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They focus on the value of actually reaching someone rather than the cost. For me it was worth it to get my questions answered instead of sitting on hold forever.

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I'll definitely check it out if I have trouble reaching them. Thanks again for the recommendation.

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Make sure you file your claim as soon as possible. There's usually a waiting period before benefits start, and you can't get benefits for weeks before you file your claim. Even if you're not sure about eligibility, file now while you're gathering documentation.

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Good point. I'll file this weekend and start putting together whatever documentation I can find.

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Smart move. The sooner you file, the sooner the process can start, even if it takes a while to resolve.

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Also remember that during your fact-finding interview (if they schedule one), be prepared to explain your situation clearly and calmly. They're looking for specific reasons why continuing to work was not reasonable. Focus on the facts rather than emotions, even though I'm sure the situation was very frustrating.

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That's helpful advice. I tend to get emotional when talking about that job, so I'll need to practice staying factual.

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Practice explaining your situation beforehand. Write down the key points and dates if you can remember them. It helps to have your thoughts organized.

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The system is so backed up right now that adjudication is taking forever anyway. Might as well get in line and see what happens. Even if you get denied initially, the appeal process might work out better for you.

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How long is adjudication taking these days?

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From what I've seen people posting, anywhere from 3-8 weeks depending on the complexity of the case.

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definitely file but also start job searching immediately. even if you get approved, benefits take time to start and don't replace your full salary. better to have a backup plan

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Yeah I've already started looking. Hoping to find something better than my last job anyway.

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good mindset. sometimes getting out of a toxic situation leads to something way better

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One more thing - if you do get approved, you'll need to meet the job search requirements. Right now it's 3 job contacts per week in Washington. Keep good records of your applications and interviews because they audit these sometimes.

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Good to know. I'm already applying to jobs anyway so that shouldn't be a problem.

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Just make sure you're documenting everything properly in your weekly claims. The job search log in your eServices account is where you'll track all this.

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I had a friend who quit for similar reasons and it took 6 months to get through the whole process but she eventually got approved. Don't give up if the first answer is no.

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Six months is a long time but good to know people do eventually win these cases.

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Yeah it was frustrating for her but she said it was worth it in the end. She also found a much better job during the process.

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Washington ESD has gotten better about approving quit cases lately from what I've seen. The pandemic really changed how they look at workplace issues. Your situation with the unpaid overtime and hostile supervisor sounds like it has potential.

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That's encouraging to hear. I was worried I had zero chance since I quit.

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Definitely not zero chance. The key is presenting your case well and having some documentation to back up your claims.

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Whatever happens, you made the right choice getting out of that toxic environment. Your mental health is worth more than any job. Hope the unemployment claim works out for you!

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Thank you, that means a lot. It was definitely affecting my mental health staying there.

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You'll find something better. Sometimes these forced changes end up being blessings in disguise.

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Last piece of advice - screenshot or save any text messages, emails, or other communications you have related to the problems at your old job. Digital evidence can disappear and you want to preserve everything while you still have access to it.

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Good thinking. I'll go through my phone and email tonight to see what I can find.

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Perfect. Even seemingly unimportant messages might help establish the timeline or pattern of problems.

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Thanks everyone for all the advice! I'm feeling much more hopeful about this now. Going to file my claim this weekend and start gathering documentation. Will update you all on how it goes.

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Good luck! Feel free to come back with questions as you go through the process.

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Wishing you the best! And remember that Claimyr option if you need to actually talk to someone at Washington ESD.

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You've got this! The fact that you're being proactive about documentation shows you're taking the right approach.

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