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ESD denied my appeal due to late filing - overpayment for April-June 2020 when I only had UI income

I'm so frustrated right now. I just had my hearing with the administrative law judge today and they denied my appeal because I filed it "late." The reason I was late? I was working overseas for 3 months and had no idea there were important letters piling up at my US address. The whole overpayment mess started because ESD claims I needed to verify my income between April-June 2020. But that's the crazy part - during those months I was COMPLETELY laid off due to COVID! My only income WAS unemployment benefits! I don't understand how I can have an overpayment when I correctly reported having zero work income. The judge didn't seem to care about my explanation for missing the appeal deadline. Has anyone successfully appealed after being denied for filing late? Or is there any way to get the overpayment waived? They're asking for $6,800 back and I just don't have that kind of money right now.

StormChaser

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This is unfortunately a common issue with ESD. The critical factor here is whether you had "good cause" for missing the appeal deadline. Being out of the country might qualify if you can document it properly. For the overpayment itself - are you sure they're requesting verification of your unemployment income? That's unusual. Typically overpayments happen when they need verification of self-employment income or wages that might have reduced your UI eligibility. Check your eServices account for notices explaining exactly what documentation they needed.

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Sofia Gomez

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Thanks for the quick response. I looked at the original notice again and you're right - it seems they were asking for verification of some 1099 work I did in March 2020 (right before layoff). I reported that income when I initially applied but never got a request for documentation until much later. The judge said I should have had mail forwarding set up, but my overseas job came up suddenly and I wasn't organized enough to think of that.

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Dmitry Petrov

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OMG the EXACT same thing happened to my roommate!! She was working in Alaska last summer and came back to find she owed like $4k to ESD. The whole appeal system is RIGGED against regular people. They make the deadlines impossible and then act like its your fault for not checking mail every single day of your life!!!!!

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Ava Williams

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While I understand your frustration, it's not entirely rigged. The appeal deadlines are published in every determination notice, and ESD does allow for good cause exceptions. The key is properly documenting why you couldn't respond in time. I'd recommend both you and the original poster look into filing a petition for waiver of the overpayment - ESD can waive repayment if it wasn't your fault and repaying would cause financial hardship.

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Miguel Castro

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i had somethin similar happen but it was cuz i moved apartments and didnt update my address with esd. ended up owing like $3200. took me forever to get thru to someone on the phone tho, kept getting disconnected after waiting for hours

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Zainab Ibrahim

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Sofia Gomez

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Has anyone successfully appealed to the Commissioner's Review Office after an ALJ denied their appeal? I'm wondering if it's worth trying to take this to the next level or if I should just accept the overpayment and try to negotiate a payment plan.

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Connor O'Neill

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I've seen successful Commissioner's Review appeals, but they typically require new evidence or a clear legal error by the ALJ. Based on what you've described, you might have better luck applying for an overpayment waiver instead of continuing the appeal process. For a waiver, you'll need to prove: 1) The overpayment wasn't your fault, and 2) Repayment would cause financial hardship. Gather documentation of your income, expenses, and the circumstances of your overseas work to support both points. If a waiver isn't approved, ESD offers payment plans as low as $25/month depending on your financial situation.

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LunarEclipse

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back in 2022 i had a simlar problem with my claim and they said i owed $5000. i tried calling for WEEKS and couldnt get through. have you tried contacting your state representative? thats what finally fixed things for me, they have special contacts at ESD

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Ava Williams

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This is excellent advice. Your state representatives and senators have constituent services staff who can often cut through red tape with state agencies. Another option is filing a complaint with the state ombuds office for ESD. They can review your case and sometimes intervene if procedures weren't properly followed. Document everything - dates of calls, letters received, and any communications with ESD. This documentation will be helpful for both the waiver application and if you need intervention from elected officials.

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Dmitry Petrov

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Wait I'm confused... so they want you to verify income from 2020 NOW in 2025?? That's ridiculous! Who keeps records that long? And also they can just go check with the IRS if they want to know what your income was!

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StormChaser

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Actually, both federal and state laws require keeping tax records for at least 3 years, and unemployment documentation for 5-7 years specifically because audits and verification can happen years later. ESD doesn't automatically have access to IRS records - they can request them in some cases, but the burden of proof for UI eligibility is on the claimant. That's why it's so important to keep all documentation related to unemployment claims, including income verification, separation notices, and communications from ESD. Digital copies stored in cloud storage are acceptable and make long-term record keeping easier.

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Miguel Castro

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what happens if u just ignore the overpayment notice? asking for a friend lol

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Connor O'Neill

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This is *never* a good idea. ESD has significant collection powers as a state agency. They can: 1) Garnish your wages up to 25% of disposable earnings, 2) Seize tax refunds, 3) Place liens on property, 4) Refer to collections which damages credit, 5) Add substantial interest and penalties to the original amount. Additionally, if they determine the overpayment was due to misrepresentation, they can assess a 40% penalty and possibly pursue fraud charges in severe cases. Always respond to overpayment notices and work out a solution, even if it's just a minimal payment plan.

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Yara Khalil

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I'm actually going through almost the same thing. I was living in Canada for 6 months and came back to an overpayment notice and missed appeal deadline. But my question is - if you were completely laid off during that period, why were they even asking for income verification in the first place? That part doesn't make sense to me.

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Sofia Gomez

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I think I misunderstood the original notice. Looking at everything again, they were questioning some 1099 work I did right before COVID layoffs. I reported it on my initial application but apparently they needed documentation of exactly how much I earned in the weeks before my layoff. Since I missed the deadline to provide that, they're assuming I reported incorrectly and calculating an overpayment based on that assumption. At least that's what I'm gathering from all the paperwork.

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Ava Williams

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Here's something important to know about overpayment waivers that hasn't been mentioned yet. ESD evaluates waiver requests based on two factors: 1) whether the overpayment occurred through no fault of your own, and 2) whether repayment would cause financial hardship. For the financial hardship part, they'll look at your current income, expenses, and assets. Gather documentation of all essential expenses: rent/mortgage, utilities, food, healthcare, transportation, childcare if applicable. Also document your current income sources and any significant financial obligations like student loans. They have specific financial forms for this process that you'll need to complete thoroughly. The stronger your documentation, the better your chances for a waiver approval.

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Sofia Gomez

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Thank you for this detailed information. I definitely meet the financial hardship criteria, as I'm currently working part-time while studying. I'll make sure to document everything thoroughly. Is there a deadline for requesting a waiver? I don't want to miss another important timeline.

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