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Employer appealing OAH ruling after not showing up to first hearing - endless ESD appeals cycle?

I'm just so frustrated with this never-ending appeals process with ESD! Filed my initial unemployment claim in January 2025 after my company downsized. My former employer immediately contested it, claiming I was terminated for misconduct (completely false - they literally told me it was a position elimination). I appealed the disqualification and finally got an OAH hearing scheduled for JUNE - that's 5 months of waiting with zero income! The kicker? My ex-employer didn't even bother showing up to the phone hearing! Judge reversed the disqualification and I thought this nightmare was finally over. ESD sent approval notices and I was supposed to get about $9,800 in back payments. Now I just received a notice that my former employer is filing a SECOND appeal to the Commissioner's Review Office and suddenly they've attached a bunch of "evidence" they never bothered to submit for the first hearing. How is this even allowed??? They ignored the entire first hearing process and now get another shot? Does this appeals merry-go-round ever stop? Can they just keep appealing forever until they win? It's been almost 6 months and I haven't seen a dime while this drags on. Sorry for venting but I'm beyond frustrated. If anyone's been through multiple appeal levels, please share your experience!

Camila Jordan

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Unfortunately, yes, there are multiple appeal levels in Washington's unemployment system. First level is the Administrative Law Judge hearing (which you won), second level is Commissioner's Review Office, and the final level would be Superior Court. But there's some good news - since you won the first hearing, you should be eligible to receive benefits while the second appeal is pending. Have you tried contacting your claims center to ask about this? It's called 'benefits pending appeal' and it's specifically for situations like yours.

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Alexis Renard

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Wait, really? I had no idea I could get benefits while this second appeal is happening! The notice didn't mention anything about that. Do I need to file something special to request the 'benefits pending appeal' or should it happen automatically since I won the first hearing?

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Tyler Lefleur

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omg this happned to me last year!!!! they can appeal 2 more times (comissioner and then court) but most employers dont go all the way to court bc it costs them $$$. but yeah its total bs they can just not show up and then appeal anyway. the system is rigged against workers imo

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Alexis Renard

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That's what I thought! It feels completely unfair that they can just ignore the first hearing and then get another chance. Did your employer go all the way to the Commissioner level? How long did that part of the process take?

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Madeline Blaze

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You should definitely be receiving benefits while this second appeal is happening. The law is clear that when an ALJ rules in your favor, you get benefits while any further appeals are pending. Call ESD immediately and reference RCW 50.32.095 - "Benefits during appeal period." Regarding the new evidence - the Commissioner's Review Office shouldn't consider evidence that wasn't presented at the original hearing unless they can show "good cause" for why it wasn't submitted earlier. Make sure to point this out in your response to the appeal filing. You should receive paperwork allowing you to respond to their appeal petition.

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Alexis Renard

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Thank you so much for this specific information! I didn't know about RCW 50.32.095 at all. I'm going to call ESD first thing Monday morning. And that's really helpful about the new evidence too - there was absolutely no reason they couldn't have submitted it for the first hearing. They just didn't bother to participate at all.

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Max Knight

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This is EXACTLY WHY i tell everyone to document EVERYTHING when dealing with unemployment!!! Save every email, record every call (WA is a two-party state so tell them), take screenshots of your eServices account. The system is designed to wear people down until they give up. DON'T GIVE UP!!

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Emma Swift

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Recording calls without permission is actually illegal in Washington since it's a two-party consent state. You have to inform the other party you're recording and they have to agree. Just wanted to clarify that part of your advice.

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Isabella Tucker

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Not trying to be a downer but getting through to ESD on the phone to ask about the benefits pending appeal might be nearly impossible these days. I've been trying for 2 weeks and can't get past the automated system - it just disconnects me when all agents are busy (which is always). Has anyone found a way to actually reach a human there?

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Camila Jordan

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To respond to your question about the timeline - Commissioner's Review usually takes 2-3 months for a decision once all documents are submitted. The good part is you don't have another hearing - they just review the record and written arguments. While that's happening, push hard for your benefits pending appeal. Every week that passes is money you're entitled to under the law.

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Alexis Renard

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2-3 MORE months? Ugh. This whole process will end up taking nearly a year then. But if I can at least get the benefits flowing while waiting for the Commissioner decision, that would be a huge relief. I'm definitely going to push hard on that benefits pending appeal provision.

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Tyler Lefleur

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hey did u check ur eservices account lately? sometimes they update stuff there but dont actually mail u anything. might be worth logging in to see if theres any messages or updates about ur payments

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Alexis Renard

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Just checked a few minutes ago and nothing new there. Still shows the original disqualification and then the ALJ reversal, but nothing about payments starting or the new appeal. I've been checking it obsessively every day hoping for good news!

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LordCommander

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I feel like I'm reading my own story! Exact same thing happened to me except my former employer DID show up to the hearing, lost, and then appealed to Commissioner anyway. The most frustrating part was that they submitted "new evidence" that was just emails taken completely out of context. Make sure you write a detailed response pointing out any issues with their new evidence.

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Alexis Renard

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It's both comforting and depressing to know I'm not alone in this! Did you end up getting benefits while waiting for the Commissioner decision? And did you have a lawyer help with your response to their appeal?

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Madeline Blaze

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One important thing to note - when responding to the employer's Commissioner appeal, focus on two key arguments: 1) They failed to appear at the ALJ hearing without good cause, which should be automatic grounds for dismissal of their appeal, and 2) Any new evidence should be rejected unless they can demonstrate good cause for not presenting it earlier. If their appeal to the Commissioner is successful, you have the right to appeal to Superior Court, but by that point it might be worth consulting with an unemployment attorney, especially with the amount of back benefits at stake.

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Alexis Renard

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Thank you for this strategy - I'll definitely emphasize both those points. The frustrating part is they didn't provide ANY evidence or even show up for the first hearing, and now suddenly they're engaged in the process. The back benefits are significant enough that I would consider an attorney if it goes to Superior Court. This whole experience has been so draining.

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Emma Swift

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Make sure to file your weekly claims during this entire process, even while waiting for appeals. I've seen too many people win their appeals but then not get all their back benefits because they stopped filing weekly claims during the appeal period.

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Alexis Renard

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I've definitely been keeping up with my weekly claims this whole time, even when it seemed pointless during the first appeal. I remember reading somewhere that you have to keep filing to preserve your right to backpay. Thanks for the reminder though - it's an easy thing to forget when you're not getting paid for months.

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