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Nora Brooks

Can you get unemployment if you are fired from your job in Washington?

So I got terminated from my job last week and I'm wondering if I can still file for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD. My manager said it was due to 'performance issues' but honestly I think they just wanted to get rid of me because I was making too much money. I've been working there for 2 years and never had any formal write-ups or warnings. Does anyone know if being fired automatically disqualifies you from getting UI benefits? I really need the income while I look for another job.

You can definitely still apply for unemployment even if you were fired. Washington ESD will investigate the circumstances of your termination to determine if you're eligible. If it was for misconduct, you might be disqualified, but if it was just performance-related or they couldn't prove willful misconduct, you should be fine. File your claim as soon as possible!

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Thank you! That's reassuring. I'll file my claim today. Do I need to mention that I was fired or can I just say I was laid off?

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Always be honest on your application. Put down that you were terminated/fired. Washington ESD will contact your employer anyway to verify the reason for separation.

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Yes, you can potentially get unemployment even if you were fired, but it depends on the reason. Washington ESD will approve your claim if you were terminated for reasons other than 'misconduct.' Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless you were willfully not doing your job or violating company policies repeatedly after warnings.

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That's reassuring. They never gave me any written warnings, just verbal feedback about my pace. Should I apply right away?

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Definitely apply immediately. Even if Washington ESD initially denies it, you can appeal. The key is getting your application in as soon as possible since benefits start from when you file, not when you were actually fired.

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I was fired from my last job for being late too many times and still got approved for unemployment. It took about 3 weeks because they had to do an adjudication process to review my case, but eventually I got my benefits. The key is that it wasn't considered 'willful misconduct' severe enough to disqualify me.

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That gives me hope! How long did the whole process take from filing to getting your first payment?

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About 4 weeks total. The adjudication took the longest part - they had to interview both me and my former employer before making a decision.

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Here's what Washington ESD looks for when you're fired: Was it misconduct connected to your work? Was it willful or deliberate? Simple poor performance usually won't disqualify you, but things like theft, violence, or repeatedly violating company policies can. Since you mentioned no formal warnings, that works in your favor.

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This is super helpful. I never stole anything or was violent. They just said my numbers weren't where they wanted them to be.

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Numbers not meeting expectations is usually considered poor performance, not misconduct. You should be good to go!

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I went through this exact situation 6 months ago. Got fired for 'not meeting expectations' and was terrified I wouldn't qualify. But Washington ESD approved my claim after about 3 weeks of adjudication. The main thing is being completely honest on your application about why you were terminated.

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How long did the whole process take? I'm worried about the waiting period.

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Filed online on a Tuesday, had my phone interview about 2.5 weeks later, then got approved the following week. First payment came about 4 weeks after filing. The hardest part was actually getting through to someone when I had questions.

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I had trouble reaching Washington ESD when I needed to check on my claim status after being fired. The phone lines are always busy and I kept getting disconnected. I ended up using this service called Claimyr that helped me get through to an actual agent. They have a website at claimyr.com and there's even a video demo showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ. It was a lifesaver when I needed to talk to someone about my adjudication.

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I'll keep that in mind if I have trouble getting through. The phone system is already frustrating me just trying to file my initial claim.

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Never heard of Claimyr before but anything that helps with those impossible phone lines sounds worth trying.

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Just be prepared - even if you qualify, your employer might contest the claim. My old boss tried to say I was fired for misconduct when it was really just because they were downsizing and wanted to avoid paying severance. Washington ESD saw right through it during the hearing.

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Wait, there could be a hearing? That sounds intimidating.

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It's not as scary as it sounds. It's usually just a phone call with you, your employer, and the ESD judge. Just stick to the facts and be honest about what happened.

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Most claims don't go to hearing. Only if your employer contests and provides documentation that contradicts your story.

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ugh the same thing happened to me except my boss was a total jerk about it. Said I had 'attitude problems' when really I was just standing up for myself when customers were being rude. Filed for unemployment anyway and got approved after they investigated. Your employer has to prove misconduct, not just claim it.

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That's awful but good to know you still got approved. Did your employer fight the unemployment claim?

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Yeah they tried to contest it but couldn't provide enough evidence that I was actually doing anything wrong. Washington ESD sided with me.

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That's pretty common. A lot of employers will contest claims automatically but can't back up their reasoning when Washington ESD investigates.

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this happened to my brother last year got fired for being late too many times but still got unemployment because they never officially wrote him up or followed their own disciplinary policy properly

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Interesting - so even attendance issues might not disqualify you?

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Attendance can be tricky. If you were chronically late without good reason, that could be considered misconduct. But if the employer didn't follow their own policies for discipline, Washington ESD might still approve the claim.

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Performance issues are different from misconduct. I work in HR and I've seen plenty of unemployment claims approved even when someone was fired for not meeting performance standards. The key is whether it was willful misconduct or just inability to perform the job adequately.

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That's really good to know coming from someone in HR. Makes me feel more confident about my chances.

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This is exactly what happened in my case. Poor performance but not willful misconduct.

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The Washington ESD adjudication process is designed to determine if your termination was due to misconduct or just poor performance/business reasons. Document everything you can remember about your employment - performance reviews, any feedback you received, company policies, etc. This will help if they need to investigate your claim.

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I don't have copies of my performance reviews - they kept those in HR files. Can I still get them?

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You can request copies from your former employer, though they're not required to provide them. Focus on documenting what you remember and any emails or texts you might have saved.

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Also keep records of when you file your weekly claims and any job search activities. Washington ESD requires you to be actively looking for work while collecting benefits.

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File your claim ASAP because there's a waiting period before benefits start anyway. Even if your employer contests it, you can still file weekly claims during the adjudication process. You just won't get paid until it's resolved in your favor.

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Good point. I'll file today and start the process. Better to have it in motion than wait around.

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Exactly right. The sooner you file, the sooner your effective date starts, even if there are delays in processing.

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I'm going through this RIGHT NOW and it's been a nightmare trying to get answers from Washington ESD. Filed 3 weeks ago and my claim is still pending adjudication. Can't get through on the phone no matter when I call.

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The phone system is brutal. Have you tried calling right at 8am when they open? Sometimes that works.

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Tried that, tried lunch time, tried everything. The lines are always busy or I get disconnected after waiting for hours.

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Seriously try Claimyr - it's at claimyr.com. They basically get you connected to an actual ESD agent. Cost me less than what I would have spent on gas driving to the office repeatedly.

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same boat here fired last month for supposedly not following procedures but really they just wanted someone cheaper. got my first unemployment payment two weeks ago after a month of adjudication. hang in there!

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Thanks for the encouragement! It's stressful not knowing if I'll get approved or not.

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totally understand the stress but if you werent doing anything deliberately wrong you should be fine

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Washington ESD has pretty clear guidelines about this stuff. Being fired for gross misconduct (like stealing or fighting) will disqualify you, but being fired for poor performance, not getting along with coworkers, or not being a good fit usually won't. Sounds like your situation falls into the latter category.

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Yeah, definitely no gross misconduct on my part. Just couldn't hit the sales targets they wanted.

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Sales targets are performance-based. That should work in your favor during the adjudication process.

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I got fired from my job at a call center for having too many sick days and still got unemployment. They said it was attendance issues but I had legitimate medical reasons. Washington ESD approved my claim after reviewing everything. Don't let your employer scare you into not filing.

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That's a good point. I think some employers try to intimidate you into not filing by making it sound like you won't qualify.

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Exactly! They hope you won't even try so they don't have to deal with the claim process.

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One thing people don't realize is that being fired doesn't automatically disqualify you, but quitting usually does unless you have good cause. So if you were fired, even if it sucks emotionally, you might actually be in better shape for unemployment than someone who quit.

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That's actually somewhat comforting. I was feeling really bad about being fired but you're right - at least I didn't quit.

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Yeah my sister quit her toxic job and couldn't get unemployment at all, meanwhile her coworker got fired for the same performance issues and got approved. System is weird.

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WASHINGTON ESD IS A JOKE! They take forever to process anything and their customer service is nonexistent. I was fired for supposedly being 'insubordinate' which was complete BS - I just questioned a safety violation - and it took them 6 WEEKS to approve my claim. Six weeks!

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6 weeks?! I can't wait that long for a decision. Did you eventually get back-paid for those weeks?

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Yes I got back-pay for the whole time but that doesn't help when you're trying to pay rent NOW. The system is broken.

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That's frustrating but safety concerns are definitely not misconduct. Sounds like Washington ESD made the right decision eventually, even if it took too long.

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Just apply and be honest about everything. The worst they can do is say no, and then you can appeal. I've seen people get approved for unemployment after being fired for all kinds of reasons - attendance, performance, personality conflicts with management, company restructuring disguised as firing for cause.

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You're right, I need to just file and see what happens. Better than sitting here worrying about it.

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Exactly! And remember you have to file weekly claims even while your initial claim is being adjudicated, or you'll lose those weeks.

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The key distinction Washington ESD looks for is whether you were fired for misconduct (willful violation of company rules) versus just being let go for business reasons or poor performance. Performance issues alone usually aren't considered misconduct unless you were deliberately not doing your job or ignoring direct orders.

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This helps clarify things. I was definitely trying to do my job, I just couldn't keep up with their pace expectations.

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That sounds like a performance issue rather than misconduct. Make sure to emphasize that you were making good faith efforts to meet expectations when you file your claim.

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Also if they never provided proper training or gave you impossible targets, that works in your favor too.

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been fired twice in my career and got unemployment both times. first time was for missing too many days (I had undiagnosed health issues) and second time was for 'attitude problems' with my manager. Washington ESD approved both claims after investigating.

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That gives me hope. Were you nervous during the investigation process?

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definitely nervous but I just told the truth about what happened and let the chips fall where they may. honesty is really the best policy with these things.

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Don't let being fired discourage you from applying! The unemployment system exists partly because employers sometimes fire people for unfair or questionable reasons. Washington ESD knows this and they investigate each case individually.

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Thank you, I needed to hear that. I've been feeling like such a failure but you're right - the system exists for situations like this.

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Being fired doesn't make you a failure! Sometimes it's just a bad fit or bad management. Focus on moving forward.

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One more thing - when you file your claim, you might want to contact Washington ESD proactively if you're having trouble reaching them. I used a service called Claimyr that connects you directly with agents instead of waiting on hold forever. Really helped speed up my process when I had questions about my adjudication.

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How does that work exactly? Is it expensive?

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It's pretty straightforward - they basically get you in line to talk to an actual ESD representative. Way cheaper than missing work to drive to an ESD office or losing sleep over delayed claims. Check out their demo video, it explains the whole process.

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Bottom line - file your claim ASAP and don't assume you're disqualified just because you were fired. Many successful claims come from people who were terminated. The adjudication process exists specifically to sort out legitimate claims from ones involving actual misconduct.

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Thanks everyone, this thread has been incredibly helpful. I'm going to file online today.

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Good luck! Remember to keep filing your weekly claims even while waiting for the initial decision.

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You've got this! Feel free to come back with questions as you go through the process.

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Make sure you keep all your documentation from the job - any emails, performance reviews, write-ups, etc. If your employer contests your claim, you'll want to have evidence to support your side of the story during the adjudication process.

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Good thinking. I still have access to my work email for a few more days so I'll download anything relevant.

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Screenshots of your work schedule, any positive feedback, stuff like that can all help show you were trying to do your job properly.

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When I had to deal with the adjudication process after being fired, I really needed to talk to someone at Washington ESD to explain my situation better. The online system only tells you so much. That's when I found Claimyr - they actually got me connected to a real person who could walk me through what was happening with my claim. Made the whole process way less stressful.

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I'm definitely going to remember that if I run into problems. The thought of being stuck in phone tree hell while worrying about money is not appealing.

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I used Claimyr too when I couldn't get through to Washington ESD. Worth every penny to actually talk to someone who could help.

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The worst part about being fired is the uncertainty while you wait for the adjudication decision. I spent 3 weeks wondering if I'd get benefits or not. But like others have said, if it was just performance issues and not willful misconduct, you should be approved.

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3 weeks sounds like torture when you're already stressed about losing your job. Hopefully mine goes faster.

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Mine took about the same time. The waiting is definitely the hardest part.

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FIRED FOR PERFORMANCE VS FIRED FOR MISCONDUCT - huge difference!!! performance = you get benefits, misconduct = no benefits. sounds like yours was performance so youre probably good

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Yeah, definitely performance. They never accused me of doing anything wrong, just not meeting their expectations.

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then you should be fine! file that claim and dont let them intimidate you

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I'm going through the same thing right now - got fired 2 weeks ago for 'not being a team player' which is basically code for they didn't like my personality. Filed for unemployment and now just waiting for them to make a decision. It's nerve-wracking but everyone I've talked to says performance/personality issues usually don't disqualify you.

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We're in the same boat then! Hopefully we both get approved. The waiting is killing me.

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Right? I keep checking my SecureAccess Washington account like 10 times a day to see if there's any update.

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You mentioned they said you were making too much money - that actually supports your case that it wasn't misconduct. If they wanted to get rid of you for budget reasons but used performance as an excuse, that's even better for your unemployment claim.

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I never thought about it that way but you're right. If they really wanted to fire me for performance, why would my salary matter?

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Exactly. Sounds like they were downsizing but didn't want to call it a layoff. That definitely works in your favor.

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My sister got fired from her job at a retail store for being 'too slow' and got unemployment no problem. The employer tried to contest it but Washington ESD said being slow isn't misconduct, it's just not being able to perform the job at the level they wanted. You should be fine.

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That's reassuring. I feel like a lot of employers use vague performance reasons when they really just want to get rid of someone.

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Yeah, and Washington ESD has seen it all before. They know the difference between real misconduct and employers just not liking someone.

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The fact that you had no formal write-ups or warnings is huge. Washington ESD will look at that and see that your employer didn't follow progressive discipline. That suggests it wasn't really about your performance but something else.

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I'm glad I mentioned that detail. I was wondering if it mattered but sounds like it really does.

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Oh absolutely. Progressive discipline is standard practice. Skipping that process looks bad for the employer.

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Just wanted to say good luck with your claim! I was in a similar situation last year and it worked out fine. The stress of not knowing is awful but try to stay positive. Washington ESD is pretty fair about these things when it's clearly not misconduct.

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Thank you! Everyone here has been so helpful and encouraging. I'm feeling much more confident about filing now.

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That's what this community is for! We've all been through the unemployment process and know how scary it can be.

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One more thing - when you do your weekly claims, make sure you're honest about looking for work and meeting the job search requirements. That's separate from your eligibility issue but you need to keep up with it once you're approved.

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Good reminder. What are the current job search requirements? I haven't been on unemployment before.

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You need to make at least 3 job search activities per week and keep a log. There are details on the Washington ESD website about what counts as a valid job search activity.

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